http://my.ddo.com/turbinecommunity/2010/01/28/the-eberron-chronicle/

Here's a hint, clicking the "adoption" link will take you

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http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=147492

When I read this, I was like, "I saw what you did there T!"

Honestly, I'm not sure why they want to replace you since it's on the wiki.

Demoyn wrote on Jan 30^th, 2010 at 9:25pm:


Yeah, they linked a post, where half of the links in it go to empty posts with '...'

Borror0 wrote on Jan 31^st, 2010 at 12:19am:


And the scary thing about that is, if the Wiki was not updated as it was in those 2 years, I highly doubt the game would have lasted long enough for EU to come about etc.

For the longest time, there was no compendium, and even since it has come out it is still full of large amounts of rubbish, and don't get my started on the basic 'builds' or paths they have on there. Is the barbarian one that takes like 5 toughness feats and sap still up there?

MMOs with no decent community die out, because having a good community gives you something to think about (game wise) when you aren't actually playing. It lets you plan characters and respond to peoples ideas.

But now it seems, with the new player loving stance they seem to have taken (and to hell with the Vets, it seems). People with knowledge and experience get crucified for trying to correct people.

But hey, get enough new people to replace the vets (+more) and I guess they wont be complaining about the lack of endgame for a while.

Edit: Just checked, the barb build which takes: Adamantine Body/Toughness, Power attack, Toughness, Sap, Toughness, Stunning Blow, Toughness (in that order) is still there. Hell, it even starts with 16 str and 18 con and puts 2 level up points into Str, 3 into Con.

Come to think of it, god, that might explain some of the barbarians running around.

Auran wrote on Jan 31^st, 2010 at 12:28am:


what is scary is not the wiki but turbine's path builds which has been acknowledged by the community as lacking since day 1 they were introduced

Borror0 wrote on Jan 31^st, 2010 at 1:45am:


that is just bullshit. my template thread were already up before those paths came in and by accounts of many people, they were much better than the paths

Borror0 wrote on Jan 31^st, 2010 at 1:45am:


I think the funniest thing about that path was that, I'm pretty sure when it was first released, they still hadn't fixed the bug which stopped you from changing out additional toughness feats. I'm fairly sure the paths are only there to get new players to reroll (or gtr reincarnate once it comes out) their characters once they learn more about the game, that and to show why some feats are never taken.

Though to be honest..

*Tinfoil hat on*
Terrible path -> Need to change feats? Buy dragonshards from the store! Need to change stats and skills around? Buy lesser reincarnations from the store!
*Tinfoil hat off*

Which thread was deleted on the Saturday Aranticus? Was it the 'terrible barbarian in a reaver raid' thread or your goodbye one?

Auran wrote on Jan 31^st, 2010 at 4:01am:


the goodbye one

Borror0 wrote on Jan 31^st, 2010 at 1:45am:


who gives a shit what tarrants side of the story is? he's a fuckwad.

Strakeln wrote on Jan 31^st, 2010 at 11:19am:


Why can't the kind of people who realise how funny that is be mods, instead of humorless, insecure, self-important power freaks?

Hellmoob wrote on Jan 31^st, 2010 at 11:55am:


Don't mind Bore0, Hellmoob.  He could easily be Tyrrant's sibling, what with his humorlessness and his view of the world from inside his plastic bubble.

Borror0 wrote on Jan 31^st, 2010 at 1:45am:


Sometimes an infraction or a warning is just too much, and a single edit of the "bad word" in a post is enough with a short pm if possible. Aranticus posted his infractions and more than once, a simple edit to the post or a warning would have been more than enough.

Hellmoob wrote on Jan 31^st, 2010 at 5:14pm:

I agree that's easy to spot but what good would come from allowing us to call out dishonesty?

All I can think of is derailments. It's not like you can prove someone's dishonesty:
-"You're being dishonest!"
-"No, I am not."
-"You are."
-"No."

That's an utterly pointless discussion.

Honestly, the best tool against moron, dishonest or not, is to ignore them. If you don't reply to them, you don't legitimize them and they look, well, stupid. For example, imagine that Aspenor and I enter an argument but that Shade starts saying that rogues have poor DPS. We could either stop arguing one against the other and call Shade for his nonsense or keep arguing.

The latter is, in my experience, far more effective because it gives the impression that his position is so ridiculous that it does not need to be addressed. However, if we do reply to him, it might start a long argument about something that is just ridiculous. It will also give the impression that what he says is worth debating, which it is not.

That's how medias work: everyone remembers balloon boy because it made a lot of noise, but very few people will remember something only mentioned once on the radio while going to work.

Hellmoob wrote on Jan 31^st, 2010 at 5:14pm:

It's not about being hurt or not hurt.

I get a good laugh of people who are so insecure with themselves that they need to insult others to feel better about themselves or so intellectually unequipped that they need to use insults to have a shadow of a chance to win an argument, like Demoyn. If I was hurt by them in any way, I would have probably stopped posting a long time ago because I have a lot of haters. However, insults still bother me because they create an unpleasant atmosphere and THAT is the problem.

If you forums are welcoming, they'll be more useful. If they are not, people will consider the forums a waste of time and will avoid them at all costs. The former is more productive to Turbine than the latter as it means it posters interested in honest criticism will do so,  posters interested in build discussions will do so, etc. If you keep negativity creep in, the forums will simply devolve into pointless arguments.

Just like MMO live or die on their community, forums live or die on their community. If the forums are as fun as bashing your head against a wall for several hours, few people will bother signing in.

Hellmoob wrote on Jan 31^st, 2010 at 5:14pm:

They don't mind humor. In fact they embrace it. Think of their response to the broccoli thread or Memnir that was the first spotlighted player. Humor make the forums fun for everyone. It's not like an argument, which many might disagree on. Trolling, however, does not fit that description.

I think the last sentence is key: we're very different persons. Different communities appeal to different persons. I wouldn't fit in nor enjoy a community where most arguments are met with insults. On the other hand, others would LOVE that kind of community and would be utterly bored by a community tailored for people like me.

The question is, what kind of poster do you think would be in Turbine's interest to attract?