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stainer Arkat's Bitch Offline Gawna's big sexy crony! Posts: 12345 Location: gawna's nuts Joined: Jan 28^th, 2010 Gender:	GS for a Monk Feb 18^th, 2010 at 2:42pm	Print Post
	I have started to accumulate enough ingredients to start crafting a GS item. I have not attempted this process before, and from what I can read it is fairly easy to screw up. My monk doesn't have any elite equipment, just the basic stuff, Icy, Minos, +7 bracers, goggles of blindness ward etc... I use handwraps pretty much exclusively, except where my vorpal kamas are more efficient. I do not have ToD rings yet. I do have a dragon touched started, but isn't as nice as the icy. Given that I don't have much experience in this, or know exactly what I should be gunning for, I would certainly love some advice. Should I build a cloak of some type? Goggles? Min II Kamas? Specific directions on the GS build, or point me to the link that shows how to do it would be super awesome.
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Inkblack Puppy Farmer Vault WDA Offline _,\|,, Posts: 1553 Joined: Sep 10^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: GS for a Monk Reply #1 - Feb 18^th, 2010 at 3:19pm	Print Post
	If you want a big picture view of it, my infamous wall of text spreadsheet can show you what is available, how to do it, etc. The recipe websites are easier to use once you know what you want, but this is good for finding out what is available. http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pLaIqDL_IzJRx5CcCEpCaYg&output=html I would steer clear of the goggles because Tharnes' are a nice DPS increase. I'd probably suggest a mineral 2 hit point item as a first worn item. Ink


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sir_chonas Ex Member I Love Drama! Gender:	Re: GS for a Monk Reply #2 - Feb 18^th, 2010 at 3:22pm	Print Post
	Yeah tharne's are nicer the lower down the damage per hit you go. The more damage you do per second, the more chance of aggro (excluding intim), the less time you have aggro the more sneak attacking and flanking you get. Especially if you're a halfling monk with all the guiles taken.


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stainer Arkat's Bitch Offline Gawna's big sexy crony! Posts: 12345 Location: gawna's nuts Joined: Jan 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: GS for a Monk Reply #3 - Feb 18^th, 2010 at 4:02pm	Print Post
	sir_chonas wrote on Feb 18^th, 2010 at 3:22pm: Yeah tharne's are nicer the lower down the damage per hit you go.� The more damage you do per second, the more chance of aggro (excluding intim), the less time you have aggro the more sneak attacking and flanking you get. Especially if you're a halfling monk with all the guiles taken. I can tell when I pull agro away from the tank on a Raid boss. It is usually followed with ding "Your party member, Dreamler, has died". I have been turning power attack off for boss fights. It doesn't happen often, but it has happened.

	Nilazgrc: For all those familiar with loreseekers/sentinels.... Dont run with Stainer.... Guy is a tool. Black list his toons. kmack can drive the tractor. The Vault donates to charity. JDollar wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 4:47pm: Stainer likes tractors
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Aranticus Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 2110 Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009	Re: GS for a Monk Reply #4 - Feb 18^th, 2010 at 5:30pm	Print Post
	sir_chonas wrote on Feb 18^th, 2010 at 3:22pm: Yeah tharne's are nicer the lower down the damage per hit you go.� The more damage you do per second, the more chance of aggro (excluding intim), the less time you have aggro the more sneak attacking and flanking you get. Especially if you're a halfling monk with all the guiles taken. in a random agro boss, agro is irrelevant. Tharnes should be on at all times. For other bosses that do not random agro, there are ways to mitigate agro. Combined with the bracers, tharnes set provide threat reduction. If you are unable to use the bracers, space your attacks. Key issue here is to let the tank hold agro my melees all go for tharnes. It's not the item that limits the use, it's the user


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stainer Arkat's Bitch Offline Gawna's big sexy crony! Posts: 12345 Location: gawna's nuts Joined: Jan 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: GS for a Monk Reply #5 - Feb 18^th, 2010 at 5:35pm	Print Post
	Aranticus wrote on Feb 18^th, 2010 at 5:30pm: in a random agro boss, agro is irrelevant. Tharnes should be on at all times. For other bosses that do not random agro, there are ways to mitigate agro. Combined with the bracers, tharnes set provide threat reduction. If you are unable to use the bracers, space your attacks. Key issue here is to let the tank hold agro my melees all go for tharnes. It's not the item that limits the use, it's the user Tharnes aside. (I don't have them yet) What would you suggest for a GS item? @Sir_chonas - don't hijack mah thread and get it off topic, please.

	Nilazgrc: For all those familiar with loreseekers/sentinels.... Dont run with Stainer.... Guy is a tool. Black list his toons. kmack can drive the tractor. The Vault donates to charity. JDollar wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 4:47pm: Stainer likes tractors
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Aranticus Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 2110 Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009	Re: GS for a Monk Reply #6 - Feb 18^th, 2010 at 5:39pm	Print Post
	stainer wrote on Feb 18^th, 2010 at 5:35pm: Tharnes aside. (I don't have them yet) What would you suggest for a GS item? @Sir_chonas - don't hijack mah thread and get it off topic, please. from the part u talked abt dying, u either lack fort or hp. I'll go with ink and say minii hp item. Spot will depend on whether u want Minos as well. Use Minos, go cloak. Not using Minos, go helm


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stainer Arkat's Bitch Offline Gawna's big sexy crony! Posts: 12345 Location: gawna's nuts Joined: Jan 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: GS for a Monk Reply #7 - Feb 18^th, 2010 at 5:41pm	Print Post
	Aranticus wrote on Feb 18^th, 2010 at 5:39pm: from the part u talked abt dying, u either lack fort or hp. I'll go with ink and say minii hp item. Spot will depend on whether u want Minos as well. Use Minos, go cloak. Not using Minos, go helm I use minos, but mah hp is low... I don't die alot, but I can occasionally... hps are at 367 unbuffed. I guess a hp cloak then?

	Nilazgrc: For all those familiar with loreseekers/sentinels.... Dont run with Stainer.... Guy is a tool. Black list his toons. kmack can drive the tractor. The Vault donates to charity. JDollar wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 4:47pm: Stainer likes tractors
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Aranticus Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 2110 Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009	Re: GS for a Monk Reply #8 - Feb 18^th, 2010 at 9:08pm	Print Post
	stainer wrote on Feb 18^th, 2010 at 5:41pm: I use minos, but mah hp is low... I don't die alot, but I can occasionally... hps are at 367 unbuffed. I guess a hp cloak then? whats your ac? when feifung was a monk, i made a twf finesse dex build with 12 str, 18 dex, 16 wis. i hit about 60+ self buffed ac with in windstnace, more if i use defensive fighting. i took a +1 str tome so i could get PA, maxed out halfling guide and predominantly uses HW as i used stunning fist and quivering palm. DC is pretty high and i can easily 1 shot orthons in shroud. for easier mobs, i'd just stun them so i can keep my ki reserves up. i'm a light monk so i use a lot of air X air to keep blur on myself as well as FoL for hp regen. get a bard amrath neck for the sup pot so that your XXX finisher heals more. oh twitch alot to avoid mob attacks. the to hit doesnt really matter to monks since monks get insane to hit bonuses. keep madstone up if u can for more hp and a higher self buffed ac


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Demoyn Ex Member I Love Drama!	Re: GS for a Monk Reply #9 - Feb 18^th, 2010 at 10:31pm	Print Post
	I'd really suggest not wasting your first set of ingredients on a monk. They get much lower return for the investment. Seriously, don't you think it's funny that nobody's even suggested a weapon for your dps monk? There's a reason for that.


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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: GS for a Monk Reply #10 - Feb 18^th, 2010 at 11:20pm	Print Post
	Demoyn wrote on Feb 18^th, 2010 at 10:31pm: I'd really suggest not wasting your first set of ingredients on a monk.� They get much lower return for the investment.� Seriously, don't you think it's funny that nobody's even suggested a weapon for your dps monk?� There's a reason for that. Yah. It's because I'm lazy.� I sorta agree with Demoyn as far as crafting your first GS item for a Monk. To be honest, I'd prolly craft a Mineral II Great Axe for a WF Barb before I'd make anything for a Monk. Play all the high level content as an easier-to-play toon like a Barb first. When you know more about the game and more how to play, then do the High stuff with your Monk. Experience will help you to be more effective. But, if you're dead set on crafting some GS weapons for your monk, craft a Min II Kama that's Holy, Acid Burst, +4 to AC and another one that's Holy, Acid Burst, and +2 to WIS. An alternative would be a pair of Lightning II Kamas but if you ending doing anything on Hard or Elite difficulty like ToD, Shroud, or VoD, you'll find penetrating the Bosses' DR pretty difficult. Another alternative could be one kama each of Mineral II and Lightning II. Eventually though, you will want to pretty much give up using Kamas (except for Vorpal ones) and using, instead, Metalline Handwraps in conjunction with crafted ToD rings with Holy Burst on one and Shocking Burst on the other. Good luck to you OP.
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Auran Stormreaver Piker Offline www.drama.yourserver .ok? Posts: 668 Joined: Jan 26^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: GS for a Monk Reply #11 - Feb 18^th, 2010 at 11:32pm	Print Post
	Depending on your ac and other gear, it's also worth looking at something like either a mineral II hp cloak (you would have minos for heavy fort atm, depends if you have/need a +5 prot item) or a triple earth hp cloak for the +6 con skills, earthgrab guard and the ele clickie can be useful when soloing. Earthgrab guard is about 5% proc rate from memory, but does go off often enough to be useful and gives you autocrits.

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stainer Arkat's Bitch Offline Gawna's big sexy crony! Posts: 12345 Location: gawna's nuts Joined: Jan 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: GS for a Monk Reply #12 - Feb 19^th, 2010 at 9:36am	Print Post
	Arkat wrote on Feb 18^th, 2010 at 11:20pm: Yah. It's because I'm lazy.� I sorta agree with Demoyn as far as crafting your first GS item for a Monk. To be honest, I'd prolly craft a Mineral II Great Axe for a WF Barb before I'd make anything for a Monk. Play all the high level content as an easier-to-play toon like a Barb first. When you know more about the game and more how to play, then do the High stuff with your Monk. Experience will help you to be more effective. But, if you're dead set on crafting some GS weapons for your monk, craft a Min II Kama that's Holy, Acid Burst, +4 to AC and another one that's Holy, Acid Burst, and +2 to WIS. An alternative would be a pair of Lightning II Kamas but if you ending doing anything on Hard or Elite difficulty like ToD, Shroud, or VoD, you'll find penetrating the Bosses' DR pretty difficult. Another alternative could be one kama each of Mineral II and Lightning II. Eventually though, you will want to pretty much give up using Kamas (except for Vorpal ones) and using, instead, Metalline Handwraps in conjunction with crafted ToD rings with Holy Burst on one and Shocking Burst on the other. Good luck to you OP. I have three characters. Lvl 18 ftr - 28 pt build, first character all jacked up s&b, kensi, waiting for a greater reincarnate to fix, I could make Greensteel for him, but his is all jacked up, gimped and he looks funny Lvl 20 monk, 32 pt build, love this monk. I have done a lot of content, a couple of epics, just a fun build. Finesse build. I have a bunch of handwraps, ac is 61, self buffed, just vorpal kamas for some trash. Lvl 11 Barb, 32 pt build. I don't think i have this one geared right. GS isn't a have to for my monk. I can fix my ftr and make 2 minII D axes for him. This probably what I will do. I appreciate everyone's advice.

	Nilazgrc: For all those familiar with loreseekers/sentinels.... Dont run with Stainer.... Guy is a tool. Black list his toons. kmack can drive the tractor. The Vault donates to charity. JDollar wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 4:47pm: Stainer likes tractors
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Demoyn Ex Member I Love Drama!	Re: GS for a Monk Reply #13 - Feb 19^th, 2010 at 10:53am	Print Post
	stainer wrote on Feb 19^th, 2010 at 9:36am: love this monk...just a fun build... Finesse build. Once you get that barbarian to level 20 and see how gimped finesse monks are you won't love him quite as much.


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stainer Arkat's Bitch Offline Gawna's big sexy crony! Posts: 12345 Location: gawna's nuts Joined: Jan 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: GS for a Monk Reply #14 - Feb 19^th, 2010 at 11:14am	Print Post
	Demoyn wrote on Feb 19^th, 2010 at 10:53am: Once you get that barbarian to level 20 and see how gimped finesse monks are you won't love him quite as much. I understand that, but this monk is "my" first good character. I am know that there are lots of better characters, and builds. Heck, I party with them everyday. This is my first to 20, so it will always be my favorite.

	Nilazgrc: For all those familiar with loreseekers/sentinels.... Dont run with Stainer.... Guy is a tool. Black list his toons. kmack can drive the tractor. The Vault donates to charity. JDollar wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 4:47pm: Stainer likes tractors
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sir_chonas Ex Member I Love Drama! Gender:	Re: GS for a Monk Reply #15 - Feb 19^th, 2010 at 11:15am	Print Post
	I wasn't hijacking your thread, I was saying monks get more marginal benefit from Tharne's than most other classes because of their increased attacks per second. Therefore goggles would be a poor choice. I'm sure you've heard it before, but monks shouldn't use anything but handwraps (except vorpal kamas situationally). Because of the sick bonuses you can get with them (only goes up as you level in the form of additional base damage). Therefore, you should probably make a GS cloak. What to put on it depends on your plans for the monk. If you plan to reincarnate, then plan for that (as others said monks get less use out of every greensteel item than any other class because of the lack of handwraps and necessity for named items in almost every slot). IF you plan on not reincarnating, and just keeping the monk around then I'd say the triple earth is a good idea. You say you die when you take agro in raids on bosses. Is it from being hit once, or being hit several times and the heals not being effective enough. If it's the latter, consider the healing amp stuff (though you this is easier/cheaper to put on DT robes). A final option would be stats and exceptional stats. If you list your unbuffed current stats, feats taken, tomes taken, and unbuffed AC this question will be lots easier to answer.


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Aranticus Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 2110 Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009	Re: GS for a Monk Reply #16 - Feb 19^th, 2010 at 12:41pm	Print Post
	sir_chonas wrote on Feb 19^th, 2010 at 11:15am: A final option would be stats and exceptional stats.� If you list your unbuffed current stats, feats taken, tomes taken, and unbuffed AC this question will be lots easier to answer. stat and exp stat only comes on GS weapons


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sir_chonas Ex Member I Love Drama! Gender:	Re: GS for a Monk Reply #17 - Feb 19^th, 2010 at 12:59pm	Print Post
	Yeah I guess they give boosts to stat skills, not stats. You can do +6 Wis though can't you?


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Aranticus Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 2110 Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009	Re: GS for a Monk Reply #18 - Feb 19^th, 2010 at 1:01pm	Print Post
	sir_chonas wrote on Feb 19^th, 2010 at 12:59pm: Yeah I guess they give boosts to stat skills, not stats.� You can do +6 Wis though can't you? yes concordant but thats about it. for monks most will want the tod sets which will render the concordant redundant


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sir_chonas Ex Member I Love Drama! Gender:	Re: GS for a Monk Reply #19 - Feb 19^th, 2010 at 2:33pm	Print Post
	True true, and you'll be shooting for the wis 6 shintao ring which would make having a gs item stupidly expensive. You could just send your monks ingredients to another character. . . like a barbarian, fighter, or caster who all are going to want gs out the butt for weapons and what not.


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stainer Arkat's Bitch Offline Gawna's big sexy crony! Posts: 12345 Location: gawna's nuts Joined: Jan 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: GS for a Monk Reply #20 - Feb 19^th, 2010 at 3:20pm	Print Post
	stainer wrote on Feb 19^th, 2010 at 9:36am: GS isn't a have to for my monk. I can fix my ftr and make 2 minII D axes for him. This probably what I will do. I appreciate everyone's advice. Then several posts later. sir_chonas wrote on Feb 19^th, 2010 at 2:33pm: True true, and you'll be shooting for the wis 6 shintao ring which would make having a gs item stupidly expensive. You could just send your monks ingredients to another character. . . like a barbarian, fighter, or caster who all are going to want gs out the butt for weapons and what not. Reading is fundamental. http://www.rif.org/ Doh.

	Nilazgrc: For all those familiar with loreseekers/sentinels.... Dont run with Stainer.... Guy is a tool. Black list his toons. kmack can drive the tractor. The Vault donates to charity. JDollar wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 4:47pm: Stainer likes tractors
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sir_chonas Ex Member I Love Drama! Gender:	Re: GS for a Monk Reply #21 - Feb 19^th, 2010 at 4:07pm	Print Post
	stainer wrote on Feb 19^th, 2010 at 3:20pm: Then several posts later. Reading is fundamental. http://www.rif.org/ Doh. I came in here to answer your question, provided topical information. You accused me of hijacking your thread, then claimed I lacked the ability to read. Nice.


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Tspoon Ex Member	Re: GS for a Monk Reply #22 - Feb 19^th, 2010 at 4:09pm	Print Post
	Demoyn wrote on Feb 19^th, 2010 at 10:53am: Once you get that barbarian to level 20 and see how gimped finesse monks are you won't love him quite as much. Oh please. Just because you cant roll a good monk honestly though, they each have appeal and are both effective when build well. There is a reason why Axer has to have a phalanx of clerics to be effective, of course he is an extreme example... Auran wrote on Feb 18^th, 2010 at 11:32pm: Depending on your ac and other gear, it's also worth looking at something like either a mineral II hp cloak (you would have minos for heavy fort atm, depends if you have/need a +5 prot item) or a triple earth hp cloak for the +6 con skills, earthgrab guard and the ele clickie can be useful when soloing. Earthgrab guard is about 5% proc rate from memory, but does go off often enough to be useful and gives you autocrits. Exactly. Tchopstick currently has tharnes goggles, chaosguards, +4insight,+1dx, +5 resist DT armor, GFL belt, minos, shintao set, and will be wearing the Oremi set ring utlimately. IRRC has strength on Gloves and dx on boots, that leaves just the cloak. I am going Min2 +5AC, would really like a guard but i need the +5 prot... Tspatula has the icey's so probably be different for him. what item you are going to make really depends on the build and stuff you have or plan to get... forget the GS kama IMHO, waste of ingredients, hump the shaddow crypt for the devout handwraps


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stainer Arkat's Bitch Offline Gawna's big sexy crony! Posts: 12345 Location: gawna's nuts Joined: Jan 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: GS for a Monk Reply #23 - Feb 19^th, 2010 at 4:25pm	Print Post
	Thanks Spoon. My monk has been enjoyable, that is for sure. I can solo easily, and I feel like I can contribute when I group. When I have on "of <type> Greater Bane" handwraps, I really bring the pain. I have to grind out Tharnes Googles and get my ToD rings to be really satisfied.

	Nilazgrc: For all those familiar with loreseekers/sentinels.... Dont run with Stainer.... Guy is a tool. Black list his toons. kmack can drive the tractor. The Vault donates to charity. JDollar wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 4:47pm: Stainer likes tractors
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Tspoon Ex Member	Re: GS for a Monk Reply #24 - Feb 19^th, 2010 at 4:35pm	Print Post
	stainer wrote on Feb 19^th, 2010 at 4:25pm: Thanks Spoon. My monk has been enjoyable, that is for sure. I can solo easily, and I feel like I can contribute when I group. When I have on "of <type> Greater Bane" handwraps, I really bring the pain. I have to grind out Tharnes Googles and get my ToD rings to be really satisfied. Yeah, mine too. Maybe not the utimate DPS of a barbarian, but you still contibute significant DPS and with a holyburst ring and Tharnes goggles things start to get interesting, indeed. Dem just has Axer envy...


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