stainer wrote on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 3:02pm:


I couldn't get away with it...my regular cleric would hurt me...real bad.

[color=#A23BEC]stainer wrote on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 9:51am:

I don't think anyone that posts here, other than a couple, thinks of themselves as uber game players. Most people here are uber at talking smack.

Very much true, on average the most uber people are farming in game not posting on forums... in same light they very seldom if any offer advice off the top. Typically they prefer less people threading in their territory. There are a few nice people playing at that level but most are eclectic and solitary in nature.

stainer wrote on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 3:02pm:

It sounds like something I might do, but I don't remember doing it. Plus, I never said I was a good player. I did mention I get lost GH before.

Would be typical Stainer attitude... My typical reaction in such cases is to get things back under control, if cannot do so myself then judging from group power either force the group to deal with it or sacrifice my toon for the group to recoup and take control. If I bite off a little too much a miscalculated risk on my part I do not look for the divine casters to bail me out ... I rather keep as much power there as can be.
stainer wrote on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 3:02pm:

It sounds like something I might do, but I don't remember doing it. Plus, I never said I was a good player. I did mention I get lost GH before.

Reminds me was helping Frank cap the other day ... with but 5k xp I figured getting his last explorer in Savarath would do the trick and took us 20 bloody minutes to do so... first he kept Dc'ing like every five minutes, second he does not know the map, and third - the most irritating part - is he's Frank and trying to get him to follow you to bloody anyplace just not easy at all.

stainer wrote on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 3:35pm:


I truely believe Intimidate - while is a nice option - should be that "an option." I used to argue with Riot years ago that one should not rely on one feature at all when controlling mob... and remember my fighter was at one time an Intimidating tank.

There is something weird with agro mechanics on those mob in there from time to time... Seems the agro mechanic gets flushed at points and I really believe has to deal with 1.) telepoting/flight in Sulu types and 2.) Banishment casts from Horoth, Maybe a little of both. I noticed every time Horoth ever gone sporatic was due to the tank being incapped (obvious) or when Horoth was going crazy with excessive blasphemy casts.

Gornn wrote on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 3:24pm:


Yes and i did thank you for speaking up. I have no problem with showing people how quest work or explaining anything.

We had a fucktard that was blinded on the first platform didnt say anything. We all jump down, He then types in IM BLIND!, I say why didnt you say it before, As i am midsentence telling him if u dont have a pot the timers are shorter then they used to be, he goes oopps fell in lava .
stainer wrote on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 3:35pm:

Emili wrote on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 3:55pm:

In an optimal situation**meaning that there is no lag and the toon is built just to intimidate so they wont fell a check** Intimidation is a very viable method of tanking. Seeing as we are playing ddo and usually the most challenging part of a quest is lag intimidation isnt a very good option. If you are gonna tank the most viable way is hate tanking, once again the toon needs to be build towards this.

I was informed that WF Brute fighting is not WAI(thank you Aranticus) people claim it doesnt give enough hate.
On my 20 WF pally i have max ranks in Brute Fighting, and 15% on my DT. I have never lost agro while tanking(tested this to the max when you could spam death strike for 6000plus damage in 13 seconds). with 620 hps i find it not a prob with staying alive, But this is at the cost of a low cha so you do less dps *(cant max out divine might or whatever its called)

You could take it a step further and get a set bonus items *leviks , Siberys, Stalwart* but like i said even with out them i have found no problem.

Another way of tanking is Max dps build, but thats just the thing you will need to be the Heavyest Hitter in the party and/or have a 10 second jump on the rest to get agro established.

On a side not an experience player that is max dps know how to not pull agro off of a lesser DPs tank. If you see that in the last 10 seconds you scored 4 640plus crits back off a second.

Breaken wrote on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 5:33pm:



Not sure I agree with your broad definition of tanking.

IMO spamming intimidate is NOT tanking but crowd-control with burst DPS between cooldowns.

Tanking per se implies constant DPS.

whatshisface wrote on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 6:36pm:


I hate you

Gornn wrote on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 2:29pm:

I read it very carefully... I thought perhaps she might have caught that Shroud with me the other day (on my fucking bard, of course).  It wasn't me!  I have no DPS!

i think people need to roll up DPS/Intimitanks. there have already been many runs where my fighter intimitank suulo (no problems ever, you just need to know when to mash the number, sounds like vickonis did not have the minimum 56 intim) and then tanking horoth coz main tank incapped/died

and yes not many people can get agro off my fighter without using incite/hate

Quote:

I'm aware of that generally.  But the beast was prepped and his job was to hold him.

And no, it's not any of the people -- who are probably some of the better players -- who protest that they're not, like Stainer.  I bet the humble responses to my post are some of the better players here.

Gornn wrote on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 2:29pm:

The person has not posted here, and hopefully won't.  But it's not bunny rage.  It's bunny sadness.  Little droopy whispers.  And thanks for noticing the bunny.  I think you guys think of me as sillier than I am just 'cause I think people (especially guys) shouldn't use the C* word.  I'm not a snitch, I'm not writing letters on it, I appreciate the freedom of the forum.  I  just said that once here, and all hell broke out like I'm not entitled to my opinion too.  So I kinda stand by that opinion anyway.  And that's the only thing here that makes my bunny whiskers bristle.

Really, as to non-healing, it wasn't out of spite.  Really, it's almost literally what I wrote -- I was stopped in my tracks, confused as to whether I should heal the jerk, he wasn't in range for the first 5 seconds as I hopped around the northeast/northnorth, and by the time I had thought about it for another second, I was tentatively deciding not to heal when he elapsed.  I did rez him immediately.  I think if he had counted down from 15 I would have had my wits about me in time to heal him.  It was a weirdness moment, and it was really me taking too long to decide *how* annoyed I shoudl be that led to his death.  LOL.  If that even makes sense.

Oh, I have refused to heal once out of spite, did a heal-around in teh Shroud once with a really crappy cleric not helping agt all, and that's hard.  It was some guy who sent me a tell that used very inappropriate langauge in tell, and his name is Imposter, and he's said through an intermediary that he's sorry and perhaps he'd had too much to drink, and I don't care.  So that's my enemy list, a person of one: Imposter.  The guy who posts here regularly, I'd heal him again if I saw him.  I do think it's weird, perhaps he was drunk too?  But it was disappointing.

Most of you, when I see you in game (rarely) play quite well so far as I can tell.  So I'm not digging on y'all.  Was just disappointed.  Schmoe's right: how old am I?  LOL, exactly.  My first year anniversay of playing any MMO has yet to arrive.  So like, just the other night my guildies were having fun getting me to pick up the docent at the end of Prison of the Planes over and over, as if I wouldn't die if I could just do it right. 

I asked a friend of mine who is very very good, a well-respected guy that I know a lot of you would agree is good, who are the really good players in Khyber that post in the vault, and he listed a lot of your names.  In particular, I was disappionted that he listed Aranticus because *i cannot* understand any of Aranticus posts on technical builds.  I mean, I post in drama, but I lurk a lot in the build threads, trying to learn there, but really, can anyone tell what he's saying?  ROFL.  I was almost hoping he was just faking it but apparently not.  Sigh.

Aranticus wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 1:51am:


I'll jump inhere like a noob, but I don't get that, yet. Don't you need 13 str to pick power attack?

Quote:


You probably cannot understand his advice on technical builds because he is being technical.  As one should be, since it is a technical build.

Understanding the technical aspects of the game allow for more efficient planning... and not wasting anything in areas not needed... for example.. open lock... I bet you would max that on a rogue-if not, goes to show you are learning.

whatshisface wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 7:35am:



Dont simplify my posts.  I am trying to work on being wordy.  My psych classes demand it for those papers  and my teacher has warned me she is not going to continue being lenient on it since I took much advantage of it.