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Reply #25 - Nov 10th, 2010 at 3:31am
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If you really are the cube from the forums, then thank you for having the courage to come here, where free speech, not censorship, reigns.  To get such a direct, inside scoop on what the hell is going on is probably something nobody here or there ever expected.  For that, I'm sure I am not the only one grateful.

If you are under non disclosure agreements, I understand the pointlessness of asking you to prove who you are by doing something as the cube in the other forum suggested here.  Anonymity may be the only reason you considered coming on here at all.

Course if you're not, then jokes on us for thinkin you are.  You're only wrong on one point.  You said someone who wasn't hit by a ban isn't entitled to speak.  Sorry to say, the victimized need all the support they can get.  This includes people who weren't banned for this, like say you.  Thanks again.
  
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Reply #26 - Nov 10th, 2010 at 3:43am
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QuantumEntanglement wrote on Nov 10th, 2010 at 3:31am:
Sorry to say, the victimized need all the support they can get.  This includes people who weren't banned for this, like say you.  Thanks again.


You speak of "the victimized" as if they are rape victims. Please keep in mind it IS just a game. 3 days with your family and friends might be a good thing in the scheme of things. I am more concerned for people like Quik, who were awarded THIRTY days. I can only imagine that those with 3 day bans are curled up in the corner of their dark rooms, rocking back and forth, sucking on their thumbs. Though I do understand that heavy gamers (such as myself) like to get started on something (such as leveling a TR perhaps) and are disgruntled when granted a 3 day ban in the middle of it all. Just know that you'll for sure be off all your toons' raid timers upon return Smiley
  

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Reply #27 - Nov 10th, 2010 at 3:52am
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Honestly its not a huge deal and heres why.

My 6 month sub is up in a few weeks on this acct. I have gont ptp on my other accts. Money is tight, and I was seriously considering subbing up again. This makes my decision easy.

In a week and a half I'll be driving cross country for the holidays.

Ive been wanting to check out Dragon Age.

Theres a few books ive been thinking of starting.


The yard needs a bit of work ive been neglecting.

Etc etc. Youre right its a game. I dont see a point in paying monthly when Ive been punished for something i didnt do, with no explanation, warning etc.

Im not looking for anyone to cry me a river. I wasnt happy that when I went to log in for the night I couldnt, and I wanted to vent a bit. Meh my frustration will pass. In the big scheme, its so irrelevant.
  

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Reply #28 - Nov 10th, 2010 at 3:55am
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Quikster wrote on Nov 10th, 2010 at 3:52am:
Honestly its not a huge deal and heres why.

My 6 month sub is up in a few weeks on this acct. I have gont ptp on my other accts. Money is tight, and I was seriously considering subbing up again. This makes my decision easy.

In a week and a half I'll be driving cross country for the holidays.

Ive been wanting to check out Dragon Age.

Theres a few books ive been thinking of starting.


The yard needs a bit of work ive been neglecting.

Etc etc. Youre right its a game. I dont see a point in paying monthly when Ive been punished for something i didnt do, with no explanation, warning etc.

Im not looking for anyone to cry me a river. I wasnt happy that when I went to log in for the night I couldnt, and I wanted to vent a bit. Meh my frustration will pass. In the big scheme, its so irrelevant.


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stainer wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 10:33am:
Actually I am the IT/QA Manager for a medium sized company. I do pretty well for myself. I have an outdoor bar with a TV. I HAVE A FUCKING FLATSCREEN OUTSIDE MOTHERFUCKER. OUT FUCKING SIDE. O U T S I D E. .


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Reply #29 - Nov 10th, 2010 at 4:08am
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TheCube wrote on Nov 10th, 2010 at 3:43am:
You speak of "the victimized" as if they are rape victims. Please keep in mind it IS just a game. 3 days with your family and friends might be a good thing in the scheme of things. I am more concerned for people like Quik, who were awarded THIRTY days. I can only imagine that those with 3 day bans are curled up in the corner of their dark rooms, rocking back and forth, sucking on their thumbs. Though I do understand that heavy gamers (such as myself) like to get started on something (such as leveling a TR perhaps) and are disgruntled when granted a 3 day ban in the middle of it all. Just know that you'll for sure be off all your toons' raid timers upon return Smiley


it isnt the gravity of the issue, its the principle. i did not in anyway participate in the mabar event and hence escaped this mass ban. from all reports i heard, the lag during the mabar event was really bad, there were also threads in the forum stating so. it is widely accepted that when lag is bad, that the thing to do is to restart the client in hope that it clears up the memory, etc. many people have unknowingly done so during the mabar event. as of the posts i've read here, many players claimed that they did not dc and one of your response was that people in their group were and that resulted in the bans

either way, the punishment is unfair. in addition, turbine tagged the banned players as a "cheater" for something they didnt know or do. turbine has shown time and again how dumb they are when it comes to handling exploit cases. take the renown farming in adq as an example. before renown, it was ok to farm scrolls there. after renown, without a word, it becomes an exploit. seriously, 3 days or 30, being banned unfairly is being banned unfairly
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Reply #30 - Nov 10th, 2010 at 4:09am
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Injustice is injustice, no matter the scope.  Agreed, thirty days is much more of a wrong than three, but anything more than zero is undeserved.  Being placed into the same area as someone who does wrong without even knowing this has happened to you is not anyone's fault but Turbines for creating the event.  The only thing such a person did wrong was participate, and being punished in any small way, while not like being falsely imprisoned for life, IS wrong, plain and simple.  There is no gray area here.

Do you disagree?  If guilt by association is justice, then shouldn't we be all disciplined in a party if some jerk joins and cusses people out and gets reported?  Or would that only be wrong as long as the innocent only got a few days banned?  And if you really don't believe they are being done wrong, why are you here?  My use of victimized was for identification, not connotation.  Let's just call them the "not quite so screwed" and move on to what is Turbine actually willing to do to reverse and/or fix their class A fuck up.
  
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Reply #31 - Nov 10th, 2010 at 4:10am
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Quikster wrote on Nov 10th, 2010 at 3:52am:
Honestly its not a huge deal and heres why.

My 6 month sub is up in a few weeks on this acct. I have gont ptp on my other accts. Money is tight, and I was seriously considering subbing up again. This makes my decision easy.

In a week and a half I'll be driving cross country for the holidays.

Ive been wanting to check out Dragon Age.

Theres a few books ive been thinking of starting.


The yard needs a bit of work ive been neglecting.

Etc etc. Youre right its a game. I dont see a point in paying monthly when Ive been punished for something i didnt do, with no explanation, warning etc.

Im not looking for anyone to cry me a river. I wasnt happy that when I went to log in for the night I couldnt, and I wanted to vent a bit. Meh my frustration will pass. In the big scheme, its so irrelevant.


i cancelled my recurring sub as well and filled up my exit survey. i had enough of turbine's incompetence
  
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Reply #32 - Nov 10th, 2010 at 4:22am
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This is outrageous.   So now I have to try to log on and see if I was banned because I DC'ed once at the start of a raid?  You've got to be fucking kidding me.
  

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Reply #33 - Nov 10th, 2010 at 7:04am
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  I don't know if the cube is really " the cube" but what he/she says is true or was true on Thelanis. I was told about it on the first night of the long weekend and there were basically two large guilds doing it as a practice and then some peeps who run epic raids as puggers or just assosciates of the ones who were in the know. They were not advertising. I highly doubt more than 1% of the population ever knew about it.

  It didn't interest me to participate because I really don't advocate exploiting. I did get an email saying my account was flagged on my main account but i did not get one on my second account which I played in there at least 90% as much as my main. I double boxed the dragon at least 6-7 times manning a lever on both my wf sorc and my cleric so i had plenty of scales without breaking any rules I was directly aware of. I'd say 75% of the 50 or so people in my guild got letters also, though only one I am aware of got a ban ( 3 days) and I know for sure he didn't use the altf4sploit. We are speculating they are tagging people who dropped group often to use the shrines in FBTG since we were mainly in raid groups. I cannot think of anything else they could really tag so many people for. If that is an exploit then Thelanis will be very bare for a few days..as far as the ones who used altf4  consistently and who also have prior suspensions for exploiting, I hope they get perma banned.
  
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Reply #34 - Nov 10th, 2010 at 7:12am
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Unless they banned everyone in the instance at the point in time where someone else did this (that wasn't in group) then this wasn't the cause, cause I never DCd during the raids, and noone in my parties did either (I only did 1 or 2 with parties, and they were guild parties.)
  
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Reply #35 - Nov 10th, 2010 at 7:29am
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interesting that on their facebook page
ddo unlimited are publicising an event for 11/11
perhaps the mass bannings and this undisclosed upcoming event are in fact connected.
Its one way to convince the recently migrated EU players that lag is non existent on the current server network.
remove 1/3 of the user base while migration occurs.
Think about it....
  

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Reply #36 - Nov 10th, 2010 at 7:41am
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frankovitch wrote on Nov 10th, 2010 at 7:29am:
remove 1/3 of the user base permanently

  
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Reply #37 - Nov 10th, 2010 at 8:14am
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11/11 is a far more important event for Australians than some game update
  
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Reply #38 - Nov 10th, 2010 at 10:07am
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I had a guildie do this intentionally.  He received no ban or warning.  I had no such DC, lag or otherwise, during my runs.  I received a warning.

Sorry, this isn't the reason.
  
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Reply #39 - Nov 10th, 2010 at 10:42am
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I recieved a 7 day ban....I have DnD client errors everywhere all the time...however during the dragon event it happened more than usual..outta my control I am punished for logging back into a game after my client errors?  I care not about the  7 days, but I care about it happening in the future and possibly perma banning my account of which ive invested 4 + years building.  turbine implemented a buggy, laggy client crashing event then punished the player base for their incompetence.  Shame on them.
  
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Reply #40 - Nov 10th, 2010 at 10:42am
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Aranticus wrote on Nov 10th, 2010 at 4:08am:
it isnt the gravity of the issue, its the principle. i did not in anyway participate in the mabar event and hence escaped this mass ban. from all reports i heard, the lag during the mabar event was really bad, there were also threads in the forum stating so. it is widely accepted that when lag is bad, that the thing to do is to restart the client in hope that it clears up the memory, etc. many people have unknowingly done so during the mabar event. as of the posts i've read here, many players claimed that they did not dc and one of your response was that people in their group were and that resulted in the bans

either way, the punishment is unfair. in addition, turbine tagged the banned players as a "cheater" for something they didnt know or do. turbine has shown time and again how dumb they are when it comes to handling exploit cases. take the renown farming in adq as an example. before renown, it was ok to farm scrolls there. after renown, without a word, it becomes an exploit. seriously, 3 days or 30, being banned unfairly is being banned unfairly


What was the point of your post there other than repeating what everyone else has been saying? You didn't "in any way participate in the event", so you can stop right there  Embarrassed
Obviously this was a Turbine "fuck up" as I clearly mentioned in the original post, so no kidding it's not fair, that's what this entire spiel is about.

Also, no shit there was lag, it was a live event with 30+ instances as some point. Good conclusion Sherlock  Undecided
  

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Actually I am the IT/QA Manager for a medium sized company. I do pretty well for myself. I have an outdoor bar with a TV. I HAVE A FUCKING FLATSCREEN OUTSIDE MOTHERFUCKER. OUT FUCKING SIDE. O U T S I D E. .


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Reply #41 - Nov 10th, 2010 at 10:45am
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frankovitch wrote on Nov 10th, 2010 at 7:29am:
interesting that on their facebook page
ddo unlimited are publicising an event for 11/11
perhaps the mass bannings and this undisclosed upcoming event are in fact connected.
Its one way to convince the recently migrated EU players that lag is non existent on the current server network.
remove 1/3 of the user base while migration occurs.
Think about it....


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stainer wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 10:33am:
Actually I am the IT/QA Manager for a medium sized company. I do pretty well for myself. I have an outdoor bar with a TV. I HAVE A FUCKING FLATSCREEN OUTSIDE MOTHERFUCKER. OUT FUCKING SIDE. O U T S I D E. .


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Reply #42 - Nov 10th, 2010 at 10:46am
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ZombieKenny wrote on Nov 10th, 2010 at 7:41am:

Just silly, they wouldn't do that. They get paid from those players.  Undecided
  

stainer wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 10:33am:
Actually I am the IT/QA Manager for a medium sized company. I do pretty well for myself. I have an outdoor bar with a TV. I HAVE A FUCKING FLATSCREEN OUTSIDE MOTHERFUCKER. OUT FUCKING SIDE. O U T S I D E. .


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Fuckstick wrote on Nov 10th, 2010 at 10:07am:
I had a guildie do this intentionally.  He received no ban or warning.  I had no such DC, lag or otherwise, during my runs.  I received a warning.

Sorry, this isn't the reason.


Sorry, but it is  Undecided

There are some few cases in which players who may or may not have intentionally or unintentionally been exploiting being aware of it or not, who may or may not have gotten banned. Just because you heard of "your one friend who said he was doing it and didn't get banned" does not rule out the entire equation. Sorry  Embarrassed
  

stainer wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 10:33am:
Actually I am the IT/QA Manager for a medium sized company. I do pretty well for myself. I have an outdoor bar with a TV. I HAVE A FUCKING FLATSCREEN OUTSIDE MOTHERFUCKER. OUT FUCKING SIDE. O U T S I D E. .


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Wow, you are such a retread.
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Wow, you are such a retread.


Retread...you just insulted yourself  Undecided
  

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Actually I am the IT/QA Manager for a medium sized company. I do pretty well for myself. I have an outdoor bar with a TV. I HAVE A FUCKING FLATSCREEN OUTSIDE MOTHERFUCKER. OUT FUCKING SIDE. O U T S I D E. .


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TheCube wrote on Nov 10th, 2010 at 11:14am:
Retread...you just insulted yourself  Undecided

Actually retread is a legitimate insult.
  

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Reply #47 - Nov 10th, 2010 at 12:05pm
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Reply #48 - Nov 10th, 2010 at 12:10pm
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Reply #49 - Nov 10th, 2010 at 12:18pm
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Awesome. The more negative press they get over this the better. Angry
  

                               
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