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Reply #50 - Apr 8th, 2011 at 4:14am
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Asheras wrote on Apr 7th, 2011 at 2:39pm:
I don't know why some of these WF FvS can't seem to heal for shit, but it happens.  It's certainly not all of them, but the chance that a WF FvS is a competent at healing is somewhere around 33%, in my experience.  At end game it might get up to close to 50%. 

Compare that to any other race as an FvS and the competency level is probably around 75%-80%.  End game probably closer to 90%. 

Let's face it.  There are certain classes and races that have solid synergy.  There are others that make you scratch your head.  WF FvS and WF Cleric is one of those.  Taking a -2 to your casting stat.  Your self healing abilities are dimished.  It brings NOTHING to the table for the majority of the class features. 

The only reason someone does WF FvS is because they are just smitten kittens for WF and all their toons must be WF or because they want to do the Lord of the Blades thing and be a THF DPS machine.  The only real benefit of which is the bladesworn transformation.  Which is basically Rage with a +4 to AC and the inability to cast spells or be healed by healing spells for the duration. 

Why not just roll a Human and splash two barb levels in for rage that works just as well with fewer negative side effects?

So an WF FvS is swimming upstream on a build.  There are better race/class combos to get the same or better results with less lost features or gear costs.

Sure, a great vet with experience, gear, and knowledge can make it work, but more likely its going to be a fucked up mess.


Actually WF Fvs get greatsword proficiency and +1 hit/+4 dmg over any other type of Fvs with greatswords (favored + child of lord of blades and enhancements.

I am going to TR as a HORc fvs but that is another story. (swap extend for greatsword prof)
  
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Reply #51 - Apr 8th, 2011 at 4:18am
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And yes 13 DR (15 with adamantine body)
And not to meniton WF PA enhancements.

If there wasnt HOrcs wf fvs would be the bomb, but I'm gonna make a Horc build that owns wf builds.
  
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Reply #52 - Apr 8th, 2011 at 5:58am
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crazydamage wrote on Apr 8th, 2011 at 4:18am:
And yes 13 DR (15 with adamantine body)
And not to meniton WF PA enhancements.

If there wasnt HOrcs wf fvs would be the bomb, but I'm gonna make a Horc build that owns wf builds.


If you say WF gets +4 overall Damage with GS and it gets PA Enhancements, I actually don't see the point in going Horc.
You get +4 Damage Modifier via Horcish THF line and +3 Damage Modifier via Horcish STR, you also get the PA enhancements, but lose GS profency, don't you?
Never rolled a melee FvS, but throwing numbers around I see that you to-hit won't be uber, PA and PA enhancements cut off a lot and then losing -3 to-hit (-4 (not profident) - 1(no WF GS line) + 2(more STR)) might not be better than +3 Damage Modifier for most cases.
If you are talking of Melee FvS I surely consider no bard songs'n'stuff- only self buffs, cause making a self healing Melee is for soloing isnt it? Cheesy

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Reply #53 - Apr 8th, 2011 at 6:51am
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Azuphle wrote on Apr 8th, 2011 at 5:58am:
If you say WF gets +4 overall Damage with GS and it gets PA Enhancements, I actually don't see the point in going Horc.
You get +4 Damage Modifier via Horcish THF line and +3 Damage Modifier via Horcish STR, you also get the PA enhancements, but lose GS profency, don't you?
Never rolled a melee FvS, but throwing numbers around I see that you to-hit won't be uber, PA and PA enhancements cut off a lot and then losing -3 to-hit (-4 (not profident) - 1(no WF GS line) + 2(more STR)) might not be better than +3 Damage Modifier for most cases.
If you are talking of Melee FvS I surely consider no bard songs'n'stuff- only self buffs, cause making a self healing Melee is for soloing isnt it? Cheesy

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Yeah, you did. Crazy said he was swapping Extend out for Proficiency: Greatsword (presume he has a SOS / ESOS)
  
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Reply #54 - Apr 8th, 2011 at 9:46am
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Terebinthia wrote on Apr 8th, 2011 at 6:51am:
Yeah, you did. Crazy said he was swapping Extend out for Proficiency: Greatsword (presume he has a SOS / ESOS)


oh my fault then. Wouldnt recommend switching extend just because it doesnt work on BB anymore though. Holy Aura, Prayer, Divine Awesomeness, Recitation - pretty cool short term stuff, but thats just me
  
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Reply #55 - Apr 8th, 2011 at 10:22am
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stainer wrote on Apr 7th, 2011 at 2:43pm:
I don't know about all of that. The dumping wis seems fine on my WF build. I don't do tons of offensive casting on my cleric, so it is no different for me on the FvS. I just get to swing more while I heal.


I dumped wis as well on a concept build I been trying out.  Melee WF cleric RS Max STR.  The bursts are doing fine for healing and through 9 levels its a beast.  I suspect though around GH this concept build may start to strain. Going to play it out and see though.
  
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Reply #56 - Apr 8th, 2011 at 10:30am
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Ghaldar wrote on Apr 8th, 2011 at 10:22am:
I dumped wis as well on a concept build I been trying out.  Melee WF cleric RS Max STR.  The bursts are doing fine for healing and through 9 levels its a beast.  I suspect though around GH this concept build may start to strain. Going to play it out and see though.


If you are not going to be offensive casting the difference between a 12 base Wisdom and an 18 is just a few spell points and those build points can find a nice home elsewhere.
  

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Reply #57 - Apr 8th, 2011 at 10:33am
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Eladiun wrote on Apr 8th, 2011 at 10:30am:
If you are not going to be offensive casting the difference between a 12 base Wisdom and an 18 is just a few spell points and those build points can find a nice home elsewhere.



That is the rationale I was working from when i decided to role it.
  
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Reply #58 - Apr 8th, 2011 at 10:41am
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Ghaldar wrote on Apr 8th, 2011 at 10:22am:
I dumped wis as well on a concept build I been trying out.  Melee WF cleric RS Max STR.  The bursts are doing fine for healing and through 9 levels its a beast.  I suspect though around GH this concept build may start to strain. Going to play it out and see though.


He might hit me for posting this, but Steelrock has a HOrc RS Cleric (1 cleric, 1 FvS pl) that may be the most awesome healing/dps machine I have been in party with. I don't think anyone can get close to the awesome he brings.
  

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Reply #59 - Apr 8th, 2011 at 10:51am
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I heard Pyrric brings the healing pain...
  

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Reply #60 - Apr 8th, 2011 at 10:53am
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Chris79 wrote on Apr 8th, 2011 at 10:51am:
I heard Pyrric brings the healing pain...


For a player from a third world country and spotty internet access he does well.
  

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Reply #61 - Apr 8th, 2011 at 11:30am
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stainer wrote on Apr 8th, 2011 at 10:41am:
He might hit me for posting this, but Steelrock has a HOrc RS Cleric (1 cleric, 1 FvS pl) that may be the most awesome healing/dps machine I have been in party with. I don't think anyone can get close to the awesome he brings.


One of my first builds was the old Warpriest 9 cle/1 pally  which had a high str and had a smite evil.  That old warpriest build used to play much like you describe.  It healed well and could bring the pain. It was so old that it had a 9 base con and no one even thought twice about that build( my have things changed).  So basically it did not transfer well as the game changed.   5 years later that build has gone through severals changes, GR, and feat swaps as the game went along.  Now its a heal/casting bot with good HP. Which means it heals most of the time in end game.  So in other words boring.

I have wondered for years how to pull off an actual BC that wasn't a douchebag that had the effectiveness that the old school warpriest build used to be.  The game has changed so much that I was really leaning towards a true well played BC was about a dead end.  Then RS came out.   

RS allows constant healing and burst healing without being mana Dependant.  So Wis can be dumped in favor for STR/con.  I also figured that if i was going to be about the RS burst for AOE healing I would pump up CHA some as well for the extra turns.   

So the question I tried to answer is how to infuse fun back into a healing capable character and not be a complete dickwad in a group/raid setting.  Thus the HoldmkVIII concept project.  Be in the front where the meat meets the meat so to speak.  (All this talk of meat has you excited I know Wink )  I chose warforge for the GSword synergy with the lord of blades faith line and I felt that I would go WF for the racial immunities and DR. 

Not sure it will be a particularly good build at end game but I have always been one to try out the builds and take them to high level before I pass judgement.  Builds typically play different than they look on paper.
  
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Reply #62 - Apr 8th, 2011 at 12:23pm
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Arkat wrote on Apr 7th, 2011 at 4:16pm:
Non-buffed, standing 607 HPs for a WF FvS (one Toughness feat) is VERY nice. Smiley

Yes. Lord of Blades WF FVS 20 with DR enhancements and Adamantine Body has DR 15/Adamantine...makes it VERY survivable.



My elf FvS has 557 HP non-buffed, standing.  Not sure the extra 50 makes that much of a difference.  But then, I'm not trying to be a suulu tank in an elite ToD run. 


  
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Reply #63 - Apr 9th, 2011 at 3:38am
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Ghaldar wrote on Apr 8th, 2011 at 10:22am:
I dumped wis as well on a concept build I been trying out.  Melee WF cleric RS Max STR.  The bursts are doing fine for healing and through 9 levels its a beast.  I suspect though around GH this concept build may start to strain. Going to play it out and see though.


stainer wrote on Apr 8th, 2011 at 10:41am:
He might hit me for posting this, but Steelrock has a HOrc RS Cleric (1 cleric, 1 FvS pl) that may be the most awesome healing/dps machine I have been in party with. I don't think anyone can get close to the awesome he brings.


Ghaldar, you should be fine. RS is the new easy button. Cometfall and PA FTW! I did have some GS items made up in preperation for this though. Con opp SP and HP items, with +9 WIS and CHA weapons for healing situations as well as a Lit 2 falchion pre fabbed before my final TR. Wisdom is at 23 unbuffed with a +2 wisdom tome. 26 with a +3 tome and ship buffs, not including the GS +3 exp weapon. A fun build!

Forgot to mention, over 500 hp, short of 1900 sp. 36 pt. Max STR and CON, rest in WIS 1/2 orc.
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