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May 25th, 2011 at 5:16pm
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So since I won't be having the worlds best connection during the week for a bit, I figured I could do some crafting; are there any guides out for it yet? I looked in the wiki and did not see any.
  
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Reply #1 - May 25th, 2011 at 5:26pm
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Reply #2 - May 25th, 2011 at 5:56pm
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flynnjsw wrote on May 25th, 2011 at 5:16pm:
So since I won't be having the worlds best connection during the week for a bit, I figured I could do some crafting; are there any guides out for it yet? I looked in the wiki and did not see any.


Apparently somebody made a crafting guide on the official forum.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=320077

There's a link in there to take you to a PDF of the guide. I'm currently reading it now, so cannot tell you if it is good or garbage yet, sorry.


Addendum: I've read through it, and it is a basic how to, with a few things I'd disagree with. Still, if you're at work, or someplace where you can't actually try it for yourself, it'll give you an idea of how to do it, so you'll be ready to get started as soon as you get into the game. Also, the part at the end, which shows all the pre- and suffixes I like. It doesn't really tell you how to get to 75/75/75 in a day, or anything really useful like that.
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Re: Crafting
Reply #3 - May 25th, 2011 at 7:05pm
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If you go with the OMG-U-R-KRAZY way, you will be spending way too much time on it.  That bird hitting enter will get you through some of it but you'll have to come back every now and again to reload another stack of shards to deconstruct.  You'll only get one XP per deconstruct with that method.  All you do is make the lowest level shard...4 lessers and a khyber/siberies shard...and all your XP comes from the deconstructing of these shards which gets you 1 XP per deconstruct.

It is supposed to be the most efficient with materials but it is not the most time efficient way.

I don't really think there is any efficient way time wise.

I've been making some higher shards and use up what greater essenses I have to crunch things then go with the OMG method and use up the lessers that I have.  I do the OMG method just to get some Greaters out of them.

Repeat till I either don't feel like grinding stuff up or get bored.  OMG method really is insane to do.  One poster had said it took about 122 hours.  He is supposed to have a video.  Check out the crafting section.  122 hours doesn't seem like much but it is really insane.  If you have a good selection of movies to watch, you can click and click and click, eventually hitting lvl 70.  You'll have to do this for all three crafting types if you want to level up in this method.

The higher level shards I make have a base of 50% chance and I put in one of the chance boosters.  I'll also use a crafting XP pot.  I do all my shard making at once so I can get the most out of that pot since it only lasts 15 minutes.  The pot doesn't get you more XP from deconstructing stuff.  Make that shard till you can't get much more XP out of it.  It also helps to swap to a different recipe(same ingredient amounts, just a different effect from the shard) and get the XP from it when the one you were using drops below that other recipe requirements.

Breaking down the shards that were a higher level to create will get you more than 1 XP per grind but it still isn't much.
  

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Reply #4 - May 25th, 2011 at 7:47pm
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I will note that the OMG method (which is HATEFULLY boring) seems to be fairly close to 100% efficient with lesser essence recycling.

The 200 shards (800 lesser essences) that I tracked gave me back 775 essences effectively.

That means you can probably deconstruct whatever garbage you have lying around plus whatever you get from Shroud completions alone and get to level 75 just on those essences (if you're willing to invest more than a week of clicking Craft and Deconstruct buttons).
  

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Reply #5 - May 25th, 2011 at 8:06pm
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What is this OMG method? Bear in mind that I have not been paying any attention to crafting at this point other than noting that I am pulling essences out of chests.
  
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Reply #6 - May 25th, 2011 at 9:25pm
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flynnjsw wrote on May 25th, 2011 at 8:06pm:
What is this OMG method? Bear in mind that I have not been paying any attention to crafting at this point other than noting that I am pulling essences out of chests.


Step 1: create 50 or more Greater Beatitude I shards at a cost of 4 lesser good essences and 1 khyber or Siberys dragonshard fragment each.
Step 2: deconstruct those shards for 1 XP each and get back nearly 4 lesser good essences equivalent in the form of a combination of greater and lesser essences.
Step 3: repeat until you cry tears of blood.
  

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Reply #7 - May 25th, 2011 at 10:06pm
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popejubal wrote on May 25th, 2011 at 9:25pm:
Step 1: create 50 or more Greater Beatitude I shards at a cost of 4 lesser good essences and 1 khyber or Siberys dragonshard fragment each.
Step 2: deconstruct those shards for 1 XP each and get back nearly 4 lesser good essences equivalent in the form of a combination of greater and lesser essences.
Step 3: repeat until you cry tears of blood.



You'll want to use a clicker tool for this and do it while you are afk.
  

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Reply #8 - May 26th, 2011 at 12:14am
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@ flynnjsw

Eladiun wrote on May 25th, 2011 at 10:06pm:
You'll want to use a clicker tool for this and do it while you are afk.


Hence the reason for that bird.


JC wrote on May 25th, 2011 at 5:26pm:


You should be able to actually use one of these birds to push the enter key when you are parked to deconstruct the shards.  You'll have to reload a stack every now and then.

I don't think you can use macros to do this and if you download any programs to do the process for you, you may run into conflicts with Turbine and get a vacation.

If someone finds a macro that works with the Logitec keyboard, let me know.  Been thinking about getting one of those and those are supposed to be approved by Turbine to use in DDO so you can set up macros with that and not run into conflicts...in theory.
  

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Reply #9 - May 26th, 2011 at 3:02am
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Fuck Off wrote on May 26th, 2011 at 12:14am:
@ flynnjsw
I don't think you can use macros to do this and if you download any programs to do the process for you, you may run into conflicts with Turbine and get a vacation.

If someone finds a macro that works with the Logitec keyboard, let me know.  Been thinking about getting one of those and those are supposed to be approved by Turbine to use in DDO so you can set up macros with that and not run into conflicts...in theory.


They didn't have any problem with the G15 keyboard to turn in coins. I think they responded to Borror0.

It was even in their FAQ:
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The Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard has 18 fully programmable macro keys.

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Create and customize one touch actions.
Macro keystrokes to access your shortcut bars and use abilities. For example, you could set a macro to type <CTRL> <5> and then <9>. This could be the location of a spell of ability on shortcut bar 5 in slot 9. This will allow you to keep the shortcut bars collapsed, creating a less cluttered screen. Quite a handy feature for a spell-caster! 

  
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Reply #10 - May 26th, 2011 at 5:43pm
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Dark_Helmet wrote on May 26th, 2011 at 3:02am:
They didn't have any problem with the G15 keyboard to turn in coins. I think they responded to Borror0.

It was even in their FAQ:


I didn't think they would have a problem with that keyboard since they did approve of its used.

I'm not sure if you can make the shards move from your backpack to the cruncher with a macro.

If you can, please enlighten.

I'll get one of them to make this process less painful.  Been thinking about one of them anyway just to deal with metas.
  

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Reply #11 - May 29th, 2011 at 12:15pm
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Meh.  I feel like the intended way is less of a hassle.  Just collect essences while questing for a few weeks, then go to the crafting hall and go to town.  Sure, it won't be as quick as leveling 1 exp per click but you end up spending so much less time in the crafting hall and not wanting to claw your eyes out.

This is what I've been doing since U9 came out.  In the past week I've started shard crafting, aiming for the best experience-per-essence shards.  Already at the point where I'm able to craft +4 Alignment of Bane weaponry.  Sure, that's still a very long way from the +5 Greater Bane weaponry, but a +4 Holy Silver of Lawful Outsider Bane is still a very potent weapon--and I can craft more or less as many of these as I want so long as I have silver weapons to start from.
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Reply #12 - Jun 7th, 2011 at 10:45am
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A couple of questions:

Does anyone know how effective it is to deconstruct higher level shards?  Am I going to get a decent number of crafting materials back?  By higher level, I'm 35/30/29, so probably 33-45th level.

Do I just put the shard in the same device that you'd put a +3 light hammer of vendor bait to break it down?

I've heard that at some point lesser essences become more rare than greater essences.  Is this true?  At about what level?
  
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Reply #13 - Jun 7th, 2011 at 10:51am
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Inkblack wrote on Jun 7th, 2011 at 10:45am:
A couple of questions:

Does anyone know how effective it is to deconstruct higher level shards?  Am I going to get a decent number of crafting materials back?  By higher level, I'm 35/30/29, so probably 33-45th level.
Not tons more.
Do I just put the shard in the same device that you'd put a +3 light hammer of vendor bait to break it down?
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I've heard that at some point lesser essences become more rare than greater essences.  Is this true?  At about what level?
It isn't that they are rarer, you just need a lot more.

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Reply #14 - Jun 7th, 2011 at 2:15pm
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You do get some return from deconstructing shards.  It's not particularly great return (although you can occasionally get like 30+ lesser essences and 4+ greaters from some of the shards), but if your options are holding onto that Greater Benevolence III shard just in case or deconstructing it, you should go ahead and deconstruct it.

There is the alternative route which involves only crafting the low level shards and then deconstructing those for the return, which is more efficient in terms of essences but much less efficient in terms of time.

The thing about lesser versus greater is that you get to the point where some of the bound recipes require, say, 10 greater essences and 80 lesser.  Or 18 greater and 192 lesser.  Stuff like that.  The unbound fixes this a bit as you'll be more likely to see things like 9 greater and 12 lesser.  Since 1 greater converts to 5 lesser (although not vice versa) that 18/192 recipe ends up being really expensive when compared to the unbound recipes.

So yes, it was the case that lessers were the limiting factor rather than greaters.  With unbound shards available, it is much less of a factor than it was before.
  
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Reply #15 - Jun 7th, 2011 at 2:47pm
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Now I know.  And knowing is half the battle.
  
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Reply #16 - Jun 7th, 2011 at 4:33pm
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Inkblack wrote on Jun 7th, 2011 at 2:47pm:
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