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popejubal Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline fnord Posts: 6364 Location: Argo Joined: Aug 6^th, 2010 Gender:	Update 10 unbound crafting Jun 1^st, 2011 at 11:51pm	Print Post
	Looks like the unbound crafting is all 30ish levels higher than BtC crafting and requires 3 times as many greater essences for recipes that have greater essences and 3 times as many lesser essences for recipes that have no greater essences. That sounds pretty reasonable to me. I'm also going to stop leveling my crafting since leveling with unbound shards is going to be WAY cheaper than continuing to level with BtC stuff. I like the fact that BtC weapons and items are cheaper than unbound stuff, but even the unbound stuff isn't horribly expensive. I like the fact that you need a significantly higher crafting level to make unbound loot. I like the fact that the CRAZY crafting XP grind will get a lot less crazy when the U10 crafting is released. I'm a fan.

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AtomicMew Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 2073 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2011	Re: Update 10 unbound crafting Reply #1 - Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 12:22am	Print Post
	Hey, I thought you said you were going to macro it up? Also, links?


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popejubal Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline fnord Posts: 6364 Location: Argo Joined: Aug 6^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Update 10 unbound crafting Reply #2 - Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 12:29am	Print Post
	AtomicMew wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 12:22am: Hey, I thought you said you were going to macro it up?� Also, links? I don't have any links. I just went into Llamaland and checked it out. There are new quests available, too, but I didn't run them. I like running them on the live servers with other clueless puggers as my first run. And I will macro at least some because it's just so efficient and I have to mow the lawn and do the laundry sometimes, but having a whole bunch of cheap unbound recepies available that are all 30ish levels higher than the bound recepies means that I'll actually get more XP/essence by doing it the "right" way. I'll put off the macro crap until I hit the levels where even the unbound recepies start to get expensive. I'm guessing level 90+ will be macro city.

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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Update 10 unbound crafting Reply #3 - Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 1:34pm	Print Post
	That's a collosal waste of time, you can get to level 30 yourself in like 1 night.


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popejubal Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline fnord Posts: 6364 Location: Argo Joined: Aug 6^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Update 10 unbound crafting Reply #4 - Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 1:40pm	Print Post
	Bigjunk wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 1:34pm: That's a collosal waste of time, you can get to level 30 yourself in like 1 night. Going from 1 to 30 isn't bad. Going from 40-75 (currently) is painful just because each recipe is too damned expensive for XP crafting. That will take care of itself in U10. Going from 80 to 150 will probably be painful again, just because of the enormous number of essences needed for each recipe for XP. I wouldn't do it if I weren't getting work done while the computer leveled for me.

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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Update 10 unbound crafting Reply #5 - Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 1:49pm	Print Post
	Wait . . . so getting from 40-75 is gonna get cheaper?


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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Update 10 unbound crafting Reply #6 - Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 1:51pm	Print Post
	Bigjunk wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 1:49pm: Wait . . . so getting from 40-75 is gonna get cheaper? God, I hope so!
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popejubal Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline fnord Posts: 6364 Location: Argo Joined: Aug 6^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Update 10 unbound crafting Reply #7 - Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 2:39pm	Print Post
	Bigjunk wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 1:49pm: Wait . . . so getting from 40-75 is gonna get cheaper? The unbound shards have a higher crafting level required, so you'll be able to use the cheap recipes in unbound to level after you use up all of the the cheap recipes in bound crafting. Crafting a trash XP shard with 3 greater and a few lesser isn't bad. Crafting a trash XP shard with 15 greater and 150+ lesser is painful. I'm very happy that the unbound shards will let me level while making toys for guildies.

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Glenalth Puppy Farmer Offline Not banned, just bored Posts: 1602 Location: Albuquerque Joined: Sep 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Update 10 unbound crafting Reply #8 - Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 2:47pm	Print Post
	Figured it would be more expensive for unbound, but this isn't too bad and fills in a lot of gaps in leveling for the BtA shards that actually interest me. I don't want to be crafting for others really.


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Anslet Waterworks Kobold Offline I'm not conceited, I'm convinced. Posts: 111 Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Update 10 unbound crafting Reply #9 - Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 8:24am	Print Post
	Was there any reference for what the "special' materials are for? I'm just too lazy and unwilling to log into lamma


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popejubal Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline fnord Posts: 6364 Location: Argo Joined: Aug 6^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Update 10 unbound crafting Reply #10 - Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 8:35am	Print Post
	Anslet wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 8:24am: Was there any reference for what the "special' materials are for?� I'm just too lazy and unwilling to log into lamma I'm not going to promise that U10 completely ignores the Mystical Broccoli, etc., because I haven't looked through everything. I haven't yet seen anything that uses them or refers to them in any way, though.

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Anslet Waterworks Kobold Offline I'm not conceited, I'm convinced. Posts: 111 Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Update 10 unbound crafting Reply #11 - Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 8:44am	Print Post
	I'm so disgruntled with how the crafting has been brought about. Wasn't there a whole spiel how crafting was to be completed by u10? HTF is it not in u10? What a bunch of morons that work at turbine.


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Eladiun Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Two Time Loser Posts: 8398 Location: Rhode Island, USA Joined: Jun 17^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Update 10 unbound crafting Reply #12 - Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 11:12am	Print Post
	Anslet wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 8:44am: I'm so disgruntled with how the crafting has been brought about. Wasn't there a whole spiel how crafting was to be completed by u10?� HTF is it not in u10?� What a bunch of morons that work at turbine. I actually feel completely opposite on this I think for once they aren't fucking up a major change. They are implementing it gradually and in steps to see the effect and how players break it rather than dumping in it and it getting exploited to shit by a half dozen people while everyone else suffers.

	Nevynn wrote on Nov 18^th, 2010 at 11:38pm: Anybody coming to this board expecting anything more sophisticated than a dick joke had better get used to disappointment. Calvet wrote on Oct 20^th, 2011 at 12:18pm: I just got that impression after you spent 13 pages calling out eladiun for being an interwebs bully when anyone who's been posting on here already knew that.� I mean, he's proud of it and hardly tries to hide that at all. Quote: Eladiun is an awful person
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Anslet Waterworks Kobold Offline I'm not conceited, I'm convinced. Posts: 111 Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Update 10 unbound crafting Reply #13 - Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 12:21pm	Print Post
	Eladiun wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 11:12am: I actually feel completely opposite on this I think for once they aren't fucking up a major change.� They are implementing it gradually and in steps to see the effect and how players break it rather than dumping in it and it getting exploited to shit by a half dozen people while everyone else suffers. I think they would have been better off (and we better served) if they didn't present us with a half assed addition to the game.� Here's a brilliant idea... wait until update 11 to unveil it finished instead of giving us incomplete work. "Oh but they don't know what exploits or other things may come up..." Here's an idea:� Hire compentent play testers.� If they hired playtesters that were as thorough as their forum police the game would be that much better off. I really can't see it any other way when even the way they describe it is 'beta'.� Live beta? Really? Who cares if half a dozen people break it?� I'm pretty sure those same people have done so anyways and yes regardless of what turbine does they continue to do so.


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Darkrok Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1066 Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Update 10 unbound crafting Reply #14 - Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 12:26pm	Print Post
	Count me in on the group that thinks they're getting crafting right. By putting the 'beta' tag on it they've basically stated without saying it that they can change the rules part way in if people are using crafting to break the game. Obviously they can always do that but in this case they're doing it in a way that we're forewarned of that possibility. At the same time, we're able to give them feedback on a LIVE feature that they're still willing to change. In my opinion it's a win-win.

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Eladiun Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Two Time Loser Posts: 8398 Location: Rhode Island, USA Joined: Jun 17^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Update 10 unbound crafting Reply #15 - Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 1:11pm	Print Post
	Anslet wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 12:21pm: I think they would have been better off (and we better served) if they didn't present us with a half assed addition to the game.� Here's a brilliant idea... wait until update 11 to unveil it finished instead of giving us incomplete work. "Oh but they don't know what exploits or other things may come up..." Here's an idea:� Hire compentent play testers.� If they hired playtesters that were as thorough as their forum police the game would be that much better off. I really can't see it any other way when even the way they describe it is 'beta'.� Live beta? Really? Who cares if half a dozen people break it?� I'm pretty sure those same people have done so anyways and yes regardless of what turbine does they continue to do so. Hello, I'm reality have we met.� You're an idiot.� Gmail was live beta for 5 years.� A full regression test on a system this size simply isn't possible it would never be released and no one really tests on Lam.� This way they get both large scale testing and player interest and activity.� It's smart and based on what I have seen a large percentage of the player base is into it.� Win for Turbine.� �Those like you who want to wait for a finished product can do just that and wait.� Those that are chomping at the bit can test and play with the system.
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	Nevynn wrote on Nov 18^th, 2010 at 11:38pm: Anybody coming to this board expecting anything more sophisticated than a dick joke had better get used to disappointment. Calvet wrote on Oct 20^th, 2011 at 12:18pm: I just got that impression after you spent 13 pages calling out eladiun for being an interwebs bully when anyone who's been posting on here already knew that.� I mean, he's proud of it and hardly tries to hide that at all. Quote: Eladiun is an awful person
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Hordo High Rabbi Offline Le Douchebag Posts: 2405 Location: Cordova, Tennessee Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Update 10 unbound crafting Reply #16 - Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 1:16pm	Print Post
	Eladiun wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 11:12am: I actually feel completely opposite on this I think for once they aren't fucking up a major change.� They are implementing it gradually and in steps to see the effect and how players break it rather than dumping in it and it getting exploited to shit by a half dozen people while everyone else suffers. QFT Anslet, just stop. You are swiftly resembling my Vault icon...

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lifespawn Korthos Resident Offline GFY Posts: 69 Joined: Mar 11^th, 2011	Re: Update 10 unbound crafting Reply #17 - Jun 4^th, 2011 at 8:18am	Print Post
	Eladiun wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 1:11pm: Hello, I'm reality have we met.� You're an idiot.� Gmail was live beta for 5 years.� A full regression test on a system this size simply isn't possible it would never be released and no one really tests on Lam.� This way they get both large scale testing and player interest and activity.� It's smart and based on what I have seen a large percentage of the player base is into it.� Win for Turbine.� �Those like you who want to wait for a finished product can do just that and wait.� Those that are chomping at the bit can test and play with the system. agree the product can never be truly finished till it is large scale tested mourlands and lama doesn't even come close to covering that. Trickling in changes is the way to go as someone mentioned to avoid massive exploits that a small portion of the community rape to hell and everyone else is forever left behind.


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Anslet Waterworks Kobold Offline I'm not conceited, I'm convinced. Posts: 111 Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Update 10 unbound crafting Reply #18 - Jun 4^th, 2011 at 11:00am	Print Post
	Eladiun wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 1:11pm: Hello, I'm reality have we met.� You're an idiot.� Gmail was live beta for 5 years.� A full regression test on a system this size simply isn't possible it would never be released and no one really tests on Lam.� This way they get both large scale testing and player interest and activity.� It's smart and based on what I have seen a large percentage of the player base is into it.� Win for Turbine.� �Those like you who want to wait for a finished product can do just that and wait.� Those that are chomping at the bit can test and play with the system. Lol. Feeling mighty in your computer chair eh? Good job and nice life....


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Jaxx Fleet Admiral Offline Posts: 1003 Joined: Aug 8^th, 2009	Re: Update 10 unbound crafting Reply #19 - Jun 4^th, 2011 at 12:08pm	Print Post
	Anslet wrote on Jun 4^th, 2011 at 11:00am: Lol.� Feeling mighty in your computer chair eh?� Good job and nice life.... Lookie here, Astraghal created a new account......


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Oakianus Troleplayer Offline I Really Do Love Drama! Posts: 5466 Joined: May 20^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Update 10 unbound crafting Reply #20 - Jun 4^th, 2011 at 12:09pm	Print Post
	Anslet wrote on Jun 4^th, 2011 at 11:00am: Lol.� Feeling mighty in your computer chair eh?� Good job and nice life.... And here's our latest features in Mad Magazine - stupid comebacks to snappy questions.


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Anslet Waterworks Kobold Offline I'm not conceited, I'm convinced. Posts: 111 Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Update 10 unbound crafting Reply #21 - Jun 4^th, 2011 at 3:17pm	Print Post
	Oakianus wrote on Jun 4^th, 2011 at 12:09pm: And here's our latest features in Mad Magazine - stupid comebacks to snappy questions.� Perhaps I just didnt feel like having to explain myself further to morons whose social lives revolves around a video game.� /shrug Maybe I do have to break it down for the simpletons? I say moron because one compared a beta email service to an mmo.� Good Job! Well, let's see, did gmail only offer outgoing email when the beta went live? Or were you only able to read incoming emails? I'm really curious.� Please enlighten me.� Could you only use half of it? Kind of a shit example dont you think? Or were you trying to compare fucking Google to Turdbine? lewlz Why not have all 100 levels of crafting available from the rip?� I'm not contesting making tweaks here and there but it seems really dumb to only test a portion of a system when the remainder of said system could be fatally flawed.� In addition, it was stated by Turbine that Crafting would be completed by u10's release.� If this were truly the case then why isn't allof it available on lamma atm for testing?� Why only get 2 weeks of 'testing' for levels 76-100?� That is what you are saying that Turbine has done such a wonderful job with.� Is it not?� hmmm 2 weeks of testing versus a couple of months... which is better....?� "You're an idiot"... I guess that was clever in your eyes?� Wow must be nice to live so simple.� � Oh my!� Mad magazine references!!!� My feelings are really hurt.� Truly they are. � I suppose that was clever as well /sigh


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Blank_Zero Ex Member	Re: Update 10 unbound crafting Reply #22 - Jun 4^th, 2011 at 4:17pm	Print Post
	Anslet wrote on Jun 4^th, 2011 at 3:17pm: Perhaps I just didnt feel like having to explain myself further to morons whose social lives revolves around a video game.� /shrug Maybe I do have to break it down for the simpletons? I say moron because one compared a beta email service to an mmo.� Good Job! Well, let's see, did gmail only offer outgoing email when the beta went live? Or were you only able to read incoming emails? I'm really curious.� Please enlighten me.� Could you only use half of it?� Kind of a shit example dont you think?� Or were you trying to compare fucking Google to Turdbine? lewlz Why not have all 100 levels of crafting available from the rip?� I'm not contesting making tweaks here and there but it seems really dumb to only test a portion of a system when the remainder of said system could be fatally flawed.� In addition, it was stated by Turbine that Crafting would be completed by u10's release.� If this were truly the case then why isn't allof it available on lamma atm for testing?� Why only get 2 weeks of 'testing' for levels 76-100?� That is what you are saying that Turbine has done such a wonderful job with.� Is it not?� hmmm 2 weeks of testing versus a couple of months... which is better....?� "You're an idiot"... I guess that was clever in your eyes?� Wow must be nice to live so simple.� � Oh my!� Mad magazine references!!!� My feelings are really hurt.� Truly they are. � I suppose that was clever as well /sigh You, sir, have been successfully Troll'd. Hi Welcome


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JC My Little Pony Offline Posts: 3670 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Update 10 unbound crafting Reply #23 - Jun 4^th, 2011 at 4:42pm	Print Post
	Quote: You, sir, have been successfully Troll'd. Hi Welcome what he said

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apep Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 244 Joined: Apr 11^th, 2011	Re: Update 10 unbound crafting Reply #24 - Jun 4^th, 2011 at 4:57pm	Print Post
	Anslet trolls himself; he has some anger issues, especially with anything related to the game. Kinda puts certain statements in his last post into perspective.


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