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qwerty1234 Ex Member	crafted handwraps exploit Jun 7^th, 2011 at 4:23pm	Print Post
	I crafted up some fire and acid touch handwraps, but was unable to reproduce the exploit by swapping them. Suggestions?


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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #1 - Jun 7^th, 2011 at 4:26pm	Print Post
	i suggest you DIAF.


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qwerty1234 Ex Member	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #2 - Jun 7^th, 2011 at 4:31pm	Print Post
	rest wrote on Jun 7^th, 2011 at 4:26pm: i suggest you DIAF. Thanks for your suggestion!


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stainer Arkat's Bitch Offline Gawna's big sexy crony! Posts: 12345 Location: gawna's nuts Joined: Jan 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #3 - Jun 7^th, 2011 at 4:38pm	Print Post
	I am not sure anyone knows of this exploit that you speak of.

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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #4 - Jun 7^th, 2011 at 4:40pm	Print Post
	I certainly don't know about it.

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qwerty1234 Ex Member	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #5 - Jun 7^th, 2011 at 4:47pm	Print Post
	There was a thread on the DDO forums about it last night, but it vanished obviously. Ditto the second thread. Google still has a few snippets of posts that got wiped, eg this one. Essentially, swapping wraps causes the damage effects to register 1/swap instead of 1/item. There was a screenshot of a 1-shot on the training dummy.


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popejubal Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline fnord Posts: 6364 Location: Argo Joined: Aug 6^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #6 - Jun 7^th, 2011 at 4:47pm	Print Post
	Do you mean the exploit that lets you attack without actually getting the benefits of your handwraps? 'Cause I don't think that's really an exploit.

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qwerty1234 Ex Member	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #7 - Jun 7^th, 2011 at 4:59pm	Print Post
	popejubal wrote on Jun 7^th, 2011 at 4:47pm: Do you mean the exploit that lets you attack without actually getting the benefits of your handwraps?� 'Cause I don't think that's really an exploit.� That one I can reproduce no problem. :/


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apep Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 244 Joined: Apr 11^th, 2011	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #8 - Jun 7^th, 2011 at 5:02pm	Print Post
	What I've noticed testing out this bug: Swapping between several crafted handwraps with no enhancement modifier will stack their effects until you swap to non-crafted handwraps. So far, I've only tested with each wraps having 1 effect each, and have seen it apply to shock, screaming, and evil outsider bane. From the evil outsider bane, the bane damage appeared, but the attack/ base damage was not increased. It seems that swapping ToD rings/ maybe some other effects removes the extra damage. Swapping between the same 2 wraps will increase the effects per swap, allowing you to have theoretically infinite extra effects, even of the same type. After building up the effects, you can swap to a pair of crafted wraps and still keep the effects. For example, swapping between holy and greater lawful outsider bane wraps many times, then using crafted +5 handwraps for the to-hit. I'd probably expect a few interesting solo accomplishments from this... but a good amount of associated bans.


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Blank_Zero Ex Member	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #9 - Jun 7^th, 2011 at 5:30pm	Print Post
	apep wrote on Jun 7^th, 2011 at 5:02pm: What I've noticed testing out this bug: Swapping between several crafted handwraps with no enhancement modifier will stack their effects until you swap to non-crafted handwraps. So far, I've only tested with each wraps having 1 effect each, and have seen it apply to shock, screaming, and evil outsider bane. From the evil outsider bane, the bane damage appeared, but the attack/ base damage was not increased. It seems that swapping ToD rings/ maybe some other effects removes the extra damage. Swapping between the same 2 wraps will increase the effects per swap, allowing you to have theoretically infinite extra effects, even of the same type. After building up the effects, you can swap to a pair of crafted wraps and still keep the effects. For example, swapping between holy and greater lawful outsider bane wraps many times, then using crafted +5 handwraps for the to-hit. I'd probably expect a few interesting solo accomplishments from this... but a good amount of associated bans. I'm going to test this...I need a break anyhow =D


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Schmoe Epic Poster Offline One world, one soul Posts: 4219 Location: A chair Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #10 - Jun 7^th, 2011 at 9:48pm	Print Post
	I was in a pug last weekend that was talking about this exploit, so I think it has been around a bit.

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Cale Abbot Raider Offline Meh.... Drama Posts: 954 Joined: May 9^th, 2010	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #11 - Jun 7^th, 2011 at 10:12pm	Print Post
	It has been around for a bit.� And every single fucking monk that uses it gets immediately dropped from my groups as soon as it's possible to do so. The stacking effect that happens creates MEGA-FUCKING-LAG while the computations happen for the strike.� So it's really easy to know when it happens.... because my computer locks up and I rubberband when I NEVER have lag.� Not even in the Sub. But that shit locks me up. I don't recommend it, and hopefully it's been fixed. I actually haven't been accepting monks into my pugs lately because I don't even want to deal with the possibility. edit: To give you an example of what happens: The first time I saw it used was maybe a month ago in one if Qrazydouchebag's Abbots.� The monk was prepping it as we waited for the last few people to get there.� I'm not sure how many times he swapped, but when he started fighting the rest of the raid group stood motionless for a full five seconds while the computations took place. We were trying to move/cast/attack/what have you.� We simply stood there and did nothing for five full seconds.� And need I remind you, I hardly ever lag. This is obviously an extreme example, as he prepped it for a while, but it gives you an idea of the problems inherent with it.
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Blank_Zero Ex Member	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #12 - Jun 7^th, 2011 at 10:48pm	Print Post
	Cale wrote on Jun 7^th, 2011 at 10:12pm: It has been around for a bit.� And every single fucking monk that uses it gets immediately dropped from my groups as soon as it's possible to do so. The stacking effect that happens creates MEGA-FUCKING-LAG while the computations happen for the strike.� So it's really easy to know when it happens.... because my computer locks up and I rubberband when I NEVER have lag.� Not even in the Sub. But that shit locks me up. I don't recommend it, and hopefully it's been fixed. I actually haven't been accepting monks into my pugs lately because I don't even want to deal with the possibility. edit: To give you an example of what happens: The first time I saw it used was maybe a month ago in one if Qrazydouchebag's Abbots.� The monk was prepping it as we waited for the last few people to get there.� I'm not sure how many times he swapped, but when he started fighting the rest of the raid group stood motionless for a full five seconds while the computations took place. We were trying to move/cast/attack/what have you.� We simply stood there and did nothing for five full seconds.� And need I remind you, I hardly ever lag. This is obviously an extreme example, as he prepped it for a while, but it gives you an idea of the problems inherent with it. I now have a new purpose on my monk. 12 monk Shroud. We're gonna crash Khyber in Part 4. Who's in?


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Schmoe Epic Poster Offline One world, one soul Posts: 4219 Location: A chair Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #13 - Jun 7^th, 2011 at 11:22pm	Print Post
	Cale wrote on Jun 7^th, 2011 at 10:12pm: It has been around for a bit.� And every single fucking monk that uses it gets immediately dropped from my groups as soon as it's possible to do so. The stacking effect that happens creates MEGA-FUCKING-LAG while the computations happen for the strike.� So it's really easy to know when it happens.... because my computer locks up and I rubberband when I NEVER have lag.� Not even in the Sub. But that shit locks me up. I don't recommend it, and hopefully it's been fixed. I actually haven't been accepting monks into my pugs lately because I don't even want to deal with the possibility. edit: To give you an example of what happens: The first time I saw it used was maybe a month ago in one if Qrazydouchebag's Abbots.� The monk was prepping it as we waited for the last few people to get there.� I'm not sure how many times he swapped, but when he started fighting the rest of the raid group stood motionless for a full five seconds while the computations took place. We were trying to move/cast/attack/what have you.� We simply stood there and did nothing for five full seconds.� And need I remind you, I hardly ever lag. This is obviously an extreme example, as he prepped it for a while, but it gives you an idea of the problems inherent with it. I actually wonder if this exploit might be the source of U9 lag. The lag has been crazy weird since U9, and something like that could potentially affect the rest of the server, too. How would one go about telling the devs to look into the exploit as a source of lag, without getting infractions or bans oneself?

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scraap Ex Member	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #14 - Jun 7^th, 2011 at 11:38pm	Print Post
	Cale wrote on Jun 7^th, 2011 at 10:12pm: It has been around for a bit.� And every single fucking monk that uses it gets immediately dropped from my groups as soon as it's possible to do so. The stacking effect that happens creates MEGA-FUCKING-LAG while the computations happen for the strike.� So it's really easy to know when it happens.... because my computer locks up and I rubberband when I NEVER have lag.� Not even in the Sub. But that shit locks me up. I don't recommend it, and hopefully it's been fixed. I actually haven't been accepting monks into my pugs lately because I don't even want to deal with the possibility. edit: To give you an example of what happens: The first time I saw it used was maybe a month ago in one if Qrazydouchebag's Abbots.� The monk was prepping it as we waited for the last few people to get there.� I'm not sure how many times he swapped, but when he started fighting the rest of the raid group stood motionless for a full five seconds while the computations took place. We were trying to move/cast/attack/what have you.� We simply stood there and did nothing for five full seconds.� And need I remind you, I hardly ever lag. This is obviously an extreme example, as he prepped it for a while, but it gives you an idea of the problems inherent with it. Thanks. At least now I know not to make a second pair of wraps until the screaming starts. If I do take a vacation, I'd prefer it on my terms, not because I pushed the wrong button combination some day and ended up on their little machine generated list. Schmoe wrote on Jun 7^th, 2011 at 11:22pm: I actually wonder if this exploit might be the source of U9 lag. The lag has been crazy weird since U9, and something like that could potentially affect the rest of the server, too. How would one go about telling the devs to look into the exploit as a source of lag, without getting infractions or bans oneself? That actually wouldn't surprise me much.
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Cale Abbot Raider Offline Meh.... Drama Posts: 954 Joined: May 9^th, 2010	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #15 - Jun 8^th, 2011 at 2:37am	Print Post
	Want to talk to a Dev about it? Send a PM. The infractions are for discussing it publicly. You aren't publicly explaining it or publicly discussing it if it's done in private.


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Blank_Zero Ex Member	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #16 - Jun 8^th, 2011 at 2:46am	Print Post
	"Anonymous Source" just sent me a SS of this. SO MANY NUMBERS!!!!


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Felgor Shroud Slacker Offline Go Fuck Yourself Posts: 1011 Joined: Jun 25^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #17 - Jun 8^th, 2011 at 3:47am	Print Post
	Quote: "Anonymous Source" just sent me a SS of this. SO MANY NUMBERS!!!! You have my email. I expect mail.

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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #18 - Jun 8^th, 2011 at 3:59am	Print Post
	POST IT! I want a pic dammit! Use MS paint to black out whatever you need to keep him confidential, do it now!

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Blank_Zero Ex Member	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #19 - Jun 8^th, 2011 at 4:02am	Print Post
	It was just a tinypic. When I see them on again, I'll ask for it again lol. They're on here and Fel hates them if that's a good hint


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popejubal Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline fnord Posts: 6364 Location: Argo Joined: Aug 6^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #20 - Jun 8^th, 2011 at 8:04am	Print Post
	Schmoe wrote on Jun 7^th, 2011 at 11:22pm: I actually wonder if this exploit might be the source of U9 lag.� The lag has been crazy weird since U9, and something like that could potentially affect the rest of the server, too.� How would one go about telling the devs to look into the exploit as a source of lag, without getting infractions or bans oneself?� � Codeshaper is the one who is in charge of looking for the lag, I believe.� Sending a private message to him on the DDO forums seems like the best way. Edit: Just want to mention that I wouldn't bother reporting this bug or PMing Codeshaper under normal circumstances since I think Monks deserve a little love for the Handwrap hell that they're currently going through with lootgen handwraps. But if it is causing lag, then I want that bug DEAD! I want its family DEAD! I want its house burned to the GROUND! I wanna go there in the middle of the night and I wanna PISS ON ITS ASHES!
	« Last Edit: Jun 8^th, 2011 at 8:50am by popejubal »
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JC My Little Pony Offline Posts: 3670 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #21 - Jun 8^th, 2011 at 8:42am	Print Post
	apep wrote on Jun 7^th, 2011 at 5:02pm: What I've noticed testing out this bug: Swapping between several crafted handwraps with no enhancement modifier will stack their effects until you swap to non-crafted handwraps. So far, I've only tested with each wraps having 1 effect each, and have seen it apply to shock, screaming, and evil outsider bane. From the evil outsider bane, the bane damage appeared, but the attack/ base damage was not increased. It seems that swapping ToD rings/ maybe some other effects removes the extra damage. Swapping between the same 2 wraps will increase the effects per swap, allowing you to have theoretically infinite extra effects, even of the same type. After building up the effects, you can swap to a pair of crafted wraps and still keep the effects. For example, swapping between holy and greater lawful outsider bane wraps many times, then using crafted +5 handwraps for the to-hit. I'd probably expect a few interesting solo accomplishments from this... but a good amount of associated bans. rainbow of numbers all the way across the screen! woah! its a double strike rainbow! oh my god!

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Vissarion DQ Assaulter Offline Posts: 493 Joined: Jul 23^rd, 2010 Gender:	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #22 - Jun 8^th, 2011 at 10:30am	Print Post
	popejubal wrote on Jun 8^th, 2011 at 8:04am: Edit:� Just want to mention that I wouldn't bother reporting this bug or PMing Codeshaper under normal circumstances since I think Monks deserve a little love for the Handwrap hell that they're currently going through with ALL handwraps. Fixed. I could list all the problems that handwraps are currently experiencing, but that shit makes me want to punch puppies.

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Asketes Puppy Farmer Offline Perma Posts: 1371 Location: California Joined: Aug 16^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #23 - Jun 8^th, 2011 at 11:32am	Print Post
	SS please


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popejubal Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline fnord Posts: 6364 Location: Argo Joined: Aug 6^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #24 - Jun 8^th, 2011 at 2:06pm	Print Post
	Found out today from Codeshaper that development knows about this bug and that they already have a fix ready for the next update. I didn't hear about whether they have/don't have a fix for the other handwraps issues.
	« Last Edit: Jun 8^th, 2011 at 2:07pm by popejubal »
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