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Strakeln Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Lumberjack Posts: 12345 Joined: Jun 27^th, 2009	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #50 - Jun 14^th, 2011 at 8:31pm	Print Post
	Quote: Let's say we attacked lag from several angles just to be on the safe side. Only a matter of time before they remove active combat to fight lag.

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scraap Ex Member	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #51 - Jun 14^th, 2011 at 9:16pm	Print Post
	Arkat wrote on Jun 14^th, 2011 at 7:50pm: You don't want to play DDO anymore??� No No. Get it right. I'm a horrific gimp because I insist on building characters with fallback contribution strategies instead of min/maxing till that last decimal point dribbles out of the e-peen for one specific thing. Hell, I don't even really mind loot gen exploits that much tbh. Folks want to rig the game because they just can't do jack shit without dripping in greensteel and raidloot, I guess mommas special little entitled chilluns got to be entertained too. Nah, where I draw the line is folks so obsessed with stroking themselves over time to complete, they'd bring the servers down in a heartbeat if that's what it took.


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AtomicMew Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 2073 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2011	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #52 - Jun 15^th, 2011 at 8:15am	Print Post
	Anyone want to place a bet whether people got banned?


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stainer Arkat's Bitch Offline Gawna's big sexy crony! Posts: 12345 Location: gawna's nuts Joined: Jan 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #53 - Jun 15^th, 2011 at 10:06am	Print Post
	AtomicMew wrote on Jun 15^th, 2011 at 8:15am: Anyone want to place a bet whether people got banned?� If anyone got banned, pretty safe bet that we will catch an "OMG why am I banned????&*(%&$^&#$!!!" thread either here or on the other forums as soon as the banning starts.

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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4343 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #54 - Jun 15^th, 2011 at 10:52am	Print Post
	well i'll never confirm or deny exploiting handwraps publicly, but i did put up a 10 min shroud and i'm still not banned. will post here and let you guys know if anything happens though.

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Quikster Titan Demolisher Offline n00balicious Posts: 358 Location: Fucking n00bville Joined: Feb 5^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #55 - Jun 15^th, 2011 at 12:21pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Jun 15^th, 2011 at 10:52am: well i'll never confirm or deny exploiting handwraps publicly, but i did put up a 10 min shroud and i'm still not banned. will post here and let you guys know if anything happens though. Honestly I cant see a ban for that. Its not like you wouldnt have completed without the exploit. Or you bypassed a raid timer, or pulled multiple +3/4 tomes out of a rewards list, etc, etc, etc. So you did a raid a few min faster than you would normally be able to. So what?

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Cyr Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 248 Joined: Jan 24^th, 2011	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #56 - Jun 15^th, 2011 at 12:29pm	Print Post
	Quikster wrote on Jun 15^th, 2011 at 12:21pm: Honestly I cant see a ban for that. Its not like you wouldnt have completed without the exploit. Or you bypassed a raid timer, or pulled multiple +3/4 tomes out of a rewards list, etc, etc, etc. So you did a raid a few min faster than you would normally be able to. So what? I think we both know the exploit was used for alot more then just shaving a few minutes off of a trivial lower leveled raid one time and that Turbine really does not care if a quest was 'easy' already when it comes to exploits. That said I don't see the odds of bans coming from this one as being very high as it again would be a mass ban which is really really bad for business and from a PR perspective.


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Schmoe Epic Poster Offline One world, one soul Posts: 4219 Location: A chair Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #57 - Jun 15^th, 2011 at 12:31pm	Print Post
	Cyr wrote on Jun 15^th, 2011 at 12:29pm: I think we both know the exploit was used for alot more then just shaving a few minutes off of a trivial lower leveled raid one time and that Turbine really does not care if a quest was 'easy' already when it comes to exploits.� That said I don't see the odds of bans coming from this one as being very high as it again would be a mass ban which is really really bad for business and from a PR perspective. Then again there would be a lot fewer monks for a while, so it wouldn't be all bad.

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Quikster Titan Demolisher Offline n00balicious Posts: 358 Location: Fucking n00bville Joined: Feb 5^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #58 - Jun 15^th, 2011 at 3:00pm	Print Post
	Cyr wrote on Jun 15^th, 2011 at 12:29pm: I think we both know the exploit was used for alot more then just shaving a few minutes off of a trivial lower leveled raid one time and that Turbine really does not care if a quest was 'easy' already when it comes to exploits.� That said I don't see the odds of bans coming from this one as being very high as it again would be a mass ban which is really really bad for business and from a PR perspective. Turbine usually doesnt care if something makes things a little easier as far as bans are concerned. Mostly they just hot fix it. Its usually when players are getting more reward then they deserve, or are griefing others that the bans come out.

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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #59 - Jun 15^th, 2011 at 3:06pm	Print Post
	Quikster wrote on Jun 15^th, 2011 at 3:00pm: Turbine usually doesnt care if something makes things a little easier as far as bans are concerned. Mostly they just hot fix it. Its usually when players are getting more reward then they deserve, or are griefing others that the bans come out. All those suckers who take an hour to run shroud are getting madly griefed by that 10 minute completion.


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Flint Stormreaver Piker Offline I'm a Halfling on the EDGE! Posts: 567 Location: New Jersey or Armpit of the US Joined: Jul 20^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #60 - Jun 15^th, 2011 at 3:37pm	Print Post
	Well it looks like this was part of todays Hotfix if I read Tolero's post correctly, along with the handwraps not applying their + to hit and damage.


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Blank_Zero Ex Member	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #61 - Jun 15^th, 2011 at 4:46pm	Print Post
	Flint wrote on Jun 15^th, 2011 at 3:37pm: Well it looks like this was part of todays Hotfix if I read Tolero's post correctly, along with the handwraps not applying their + to hit and damage. So they fixed EVERYTHING wrong with wraps? To include crafted, wrap switching and ship buffs issues?


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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #62 - Jun 15^th, 2011 at 5:21pm	Print Post
	Quote: So they fixed EVERYTHING wrong with wraps? No http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=323964

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AtomicMew Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 2073 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2011	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #63 - Jun 15^th, 2011 at 7:29pm	Print Post
	Arkat wrote on Jun 15^th, 2011 at 5:21pm: No http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=323964 That's hardly a big deal, mabar wraps were that way before wraps were messed up in general. As long as they fixed the major problems with wraps, I find it hard to care.


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Blank_Zero Ex Member	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #64 - Jun 15^th, 2011 at 9:03pm	Print Post
	AtomicMew wrote on Jun 15^th, 2011 at 7:29pm: That's hardly a big deal, mabar wraps were that way before wraps were messed up in general.� As long as they fixed the major problems with wraps, I find it hard to care.� This. If I can switch wraps again, I'll be ok.


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substrate Dragon Raider Offline Posts: 263 Location: shithole city Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #65 - Jun 16^th, 2011 at 12:42pm	Print Post
	Trying to find all the threads I read yesterday about broken handwraps.� Most of you are probably aware of these, but whatever. Bite me. yet another (post 6/15 update) crafted handwraps bug Quote: Now, this bug has cropped up since the update today, or at least this is the first that I have seen it if it has been happening before. It only effects crafted handwraps that have a prefix and/or suffix damage component (so almost all crafted handwraps) If you take off or put on a TOD ring (that has a burst effect added to it only) while wearing said crafted wraps, the prefix and suffix damage components will no longer proc until you take those wraps off and put them back on Example: crafted True Chaos handwraps of Construct Bane in use, take off or put on my Kyosho�s ring with added shocking burst effect and hit the training dummy on board guild airship. Your chaos and bane damage will not occur. Take off those wraps and put them back on and both damages will start up again. Same thread, reply by Marten expanding on the issue: Quote: All ToD bonuses (i.e. Shintao Cord + Kyosho's Ring) stops working with crafted wraps even though the icons still show in you buff section if you look at your to-hit and damage you will see a change in +5 wraps vs +5 crafted wraps. It is as if the code is not telling the system that we have an unarmed weapon slotted. Also, the bonus to hit from bane is not working with crafted wraps... Ever monk that reads this to test this for yourself and bug report what you find, the more information they have the more likely they will be able to fix it. This thread was reporting guild slotted crafted handwraps were bugged, but OP updated and reports they appear to be working after the patch Hotfix did not fix handwraps Quote: Hotfix did NOT fix handwraps... just broke them in a different way. Crafted handwraps do not seem to be getting their enhancement bonus to hit. However, a far more annoying problem is that switching from non-crafted handwraps to ANY other weapon will nerf your to hit. This includes swapping to quarterstaves, crafted handwraps, even completely unarmed. A temporary workaround exists, but you must apply EVERY time you switch from non-crafted wraps to other weapons. Force a recalc of to hit and damage by swapping gear or casting spell that improves both your to hit and damage (claw set / litany / good hope). I haven't fully tested the effects on damage. But in many aspects the handwrap issue has been inverted. Or RE-inverted if you've been following from the beginning. Some threads complaining about bugs before the June 15th patch, I don't know the status of these but including them for completeness Ghost touch not working with crafted handwraps Additional Monk Glitches Quote: Basically, on top of the enhancement bonus glitch, there is an additional glitch concerning the Dhakaani Vigor airship buff, which confers +2 stacking damage to melee attacks. This glitch has several parts. A) It does not stack with the Monk passive past life, so there is only a net increase of 1 damage. B) If you change Handwraps, either to crafted or non-crafted, the buff is lost, leaving only the +1 passive past life. C) The buff remains on your buff bar, but even if you change back to the original Handwraps, it does not come back in actuality. D) Using the workaround for the enhancement bonus glitch does not work for the buff glitch, as far as I can tell. Tried toggling Power Attack, drinking a heroism pot, switching to Goggles of Insight, and switching into crafted +2 attack goggles. Although these will (inconsistently!) fix the enhancement bonus problem, it does nothing for the airship buff. Quote: When you receive offensive bard songs like Inspire Courage, switching handwraps will negate the bonuses while leaving the icon in the buff bar � � Crafted handwraps are not applying DR-bypassing properties, such as good. (EG, Holy Handwraps of Vampirism do not break trash devil DR). Much like the airship buff bug, there is no way to regain the bard buffs after switching handwraps, outside of having the bard refresh the buffs.


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Schmoe Epic Poster Offline One world, one soul Posts: 4219 Location: A chair Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #66 - Jun 16^th, 2011 at 12:46pm	Print Post
	I predict that crafting wraps will be disabled entirely for the time being until Turbine has a chance to re-write that subsystem. That is the buggiest piece of software I've seen in a long time.

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Blank_Zero Ex Member	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #67 - Jun 16^th, 2011 at 2:50pm	Print Post
	Schmoe wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 12:46pm: I predict that crafting wraps will be disabled entirely for the time being until Turbine has a chance to re-write that subsystem.� That is the buggiest piece of software I've seen in a long time. Agreed. It seems that the old Handwraps coding that was preventing greensteel crafting has come back to really bite them.


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Azuphle Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 126 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #68 - Jun 16^th, 2011 at 3:31pm	Print Post
	It's like they have to rewrite each new system which includes wraps exclusively for wraps. Why did they implement wraps different from regular weapons anyway?


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stainer Arkat's Bitch Offline Gawna's big sexy crony! Posts: 12345 Location: gawna's nuts Joined: Jan 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #69 - Jun 16^th, 2011 at 3:33pm	Print Post
	Azuphle wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 3:31pm: It's like they have to rewrite each new system which includes wraps exclusively for wraps. Why did they implement wraps different from regular weapons anyway? I bet the fact that they are just one weapon that uses two weapon feats is what jacked it up.

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Azuphle Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 126 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #70 - Jun 16^th, 2011 at 3:58pm	Print Post
	stainer wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 3:33pm: I bet the fact that they are just one weapon that uses two weapon feats is what jacked it up. Good point. Just another thought: The enhancements of crafted wraps don't show on character sheets, do they? Any confirmation this is 'bug'?


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Blank_Zero Ex Member	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #71 - Jun 16^th, 2011 at 4:32pm	Print Post
	stainer wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 3:33pm: I bet the fact that they are just one weapon that uses two weapon feats is what jacked it up. It would explain how they got ToD rings to work


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Cale Abbot Raider Offline Meh.... Drama Posts: 954 Joined: May 9^th, 2010	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #72 - Jun 16^th, 2011 at 5:31pm	Print Post
	It's because handwraps are coded as non-weapons.� You're fighting unarmed. Ever notice how when you're fresh out of Korthos and you unequip your weapon and punch an ooze, it's the exact same animation as when a non-monk has handwrpas equipped?� That's because handwraps aren't really weapons as far as the code is concerned.� That's why ToD rings work with wraps but not with weapons.� That's why GS crafted wraps are non-existent. Wraps have to be coded differently because they have to add weapon effects onto something that, for coding purposes, isn't a weapon.
	« Last Edit: Jun 16^th, 2011 at 5:34pm by Cale »

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Azuphle Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 126 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #73 - Jun 16^th, 2011 at 5:45pm	Print Post
	Cale wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 5:31pm: It's because handwraps are coded as non-weapons.� You're fighting unarmed. Ever notice how when you're fresh out of Korthos and you unequip your weapon and punch an ooze, it's the exact same animation as when a non-monk has handwrpas equipped?� That's because handwraps aren't really weapons as far as the code is concerned.� That's why ToD rings work with wraps but not with weapons.� That's why GS crafted wraps are non-existent. Wraps have to be coded differently because they have to add weapon effects onto something that isn't a weapon. Dunno whether they are really coded as non-weapons, they at least use some sort of weaponish interface, since weapon feats apply on them, just base dice and enhancements kinda come from your character rather then from the actual weapon. But the question was - why code them like this? Stainers point explains why they might be so exceptional. That crafted wraps don't show their enhancements on the character bio and suddenly affect numbers never touched before might show us turbines process in trying to change how wraps work, thats 100% theory though.


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Selee Abbot Raider Offline Posts: 985 Location: Atlanta, GA Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: crafted handwraps exploit Reply #74 - Jun 16^th, 2011 at 7:32pm	Print Post
	Azuphle wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 5:45pm: Dunno whether they are really coded as non-weapons, they at least use some sort of weaponish interface, since weapon feats apply on them, just base dice and enhancements kinda come from your character rather then from the actual weapon. But the question was - why code them like this? Stainers point explains why they might be so exceptional. That crafted wraps don't show their enhancements on the character bio and suddenly affect numbers never touched before might show us turbines process in trying to change how wraps work, thats 100% theory though. My best guess as to why they didn't code them the same as regular weapons is because they change damage dice. I doubt that in its current form that the code can support weapons that change like that. So as a workaround, they made the unarmed damage based off of feats, and coded the handwraps to enchant the player directly, which is why you see the stats of the handwraps on the player when you examine them. This made coding of handwrap damage as simple as counting the number of unarmed damage enhancement feats you have (including stuff like past lives and equipment) and referencing an entry in their database that would set the base unarmed damage level. This is probably also why they changed what the Ram's Might spell does in DDO, in D&D it directly increases the size category of the weapon, and I doubt that this would work in DDO's current form. Just spitballin, but I would guess I am not too far off the mark.

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