Did they ever mention why wraps are so different and difficult to get working properly?

I don't know why handwraps are so different, and I won't pretend to understand it. Maybe it had to do with the full STR bonus applying to off hand attacks, or making a single weapon act like 2 weapons, or the animation difference between someone with monk levels punching like a bawss vs. someone without monk levels throwing drunken brawl punches underwater.

Handwraps are just very very strange. If they DO manage to fix them to work like regular weapons, I'm not sure what kind of impact that would even have, to be honest. I think it's a little late for them to allow GS handwraps or to negate the burst damage from ToD rings.

rest wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 11:46am:


GS handwraps would be OP. with tod bursts definitely, and without maybe even then... DR breaking lit 2s on shintaos would be incredibly silly.

someguy wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 11:54am:




it doesn't matter if they are OP... they really should think ahead when they apply stuff like GS to the game..


I DEFINITELY don't see them as OP since most monks take two hits and fucking eat shit and die. That and since wind stance no longer partially stacks with haste, let the little fuckers have their GS wraps.

Cor wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 12:55pm:


Oh this I understand, trust me. My guy sat around 600hp, seemed pretty beefy for what I was capable of dishing out.

I was using a very over generalized response.


I came to the game as mod8 was released, I forgot GS was out a mod or two before monkies.

I'm still curious if it's the wraps or the way the fist attacks are interpreted that is causing the issue.

Have they fixed the issue where crafted wraps with Holy (for example, probably doesn't work with other alignment-based enchantments either) don't actually make attacks bypass Good DR?

Cause that one's pretty annoying too.  Last I checked the bug is still there but I haven't bothered to make new wraps to see if they fixed it but not retroactively.

rest wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 11:32am:


I mentioned this theory as well and I'm still very positive about that.
If they do it like this it's not very resource intense.

Apart from that: The wrap weirdness and the lack of GS wraps are probably not related though.

If Red Dragonscale armor can work, then I'd expect that they could make X Burst rings work too.  Of course, that would also mean that Epic Sword of Shadow would break Pit Fiend DR with just a Silver augment, but I'm willing to bet that they could put an [if weapon = handwraps] statement in the code somehow.

Torgal wrote on Jun 24^th, 2011 at 12:38am:


I would bet on this heavily, but it seems to me that the monk scaling damage is only affected by the monk level, not the wraps equipped.

ie, the coding is IN MONKS, not IN WRAPS.

Epoch wrote on Jun 24^th, 2011 at 4:12am:


My Monk steals aggro in Normal Vod/ToD on Sullo without breaking DR....

Min2 wraps on a Dark monk? Or even better....Lit2?

Epoch wrote on Jun 24^th, 2011 at 6:54am:


It's not always the tanks fault.

When Dukkha starts chaining crits with ToD included....well....

I've actually started tanking VoD on my Fighter even though he has miserable AC and he's fleshy just because I know I'll end up stealing aggro even without using my Fighter Haste boosts or Kensai power surge.

I'm not saying that my guy is BEST DPS EVAR or anything, but there are a lot of really shitty tanks that go into VoD.  Having a good tank means that everyone can hop on Sully immediately instead of having to wait 10 seconds before jumping in when the pit fiend is going to teleport and reset aggro in 20 seconds. 

Also, if they just drop monk damage by 1 die step at every level, then we'll have the same DPS at every level with a handwrap that does 1d1 damage as a real weapon.