With some of those required Items I would hope they altered the loot tables to make them drop more often. Otherwise you won't be crafting most of this stuff.

I sort of disagree, Inkblack, because they got the scale totally wrong.

For example, chattering ring for Greater Halfling Bane.  Nobody will ever craft this. 
Dreamspitter for GLOB?  BTA loot is a better start than BTC (since the shards are BTA anyway, no BTC loot should be involved...).  Dreamspitter is also not too hard to get, and that grind is worth it if you want a holy burst silver of GLOB.  Still annoying though. 
Demon's Blood and Scale for GCOB?  Irrelevant.  This just drives up the cost of demon's blood and scales, but does not increase the difficulty of the crafting. 

If they want to make crafting powerful shards difficult, they should require loot that is:
Bound to Account
Either a rare quest drop (like Prysuul's Bane), or a common Raid drop (like shavarath trophies of war). 

Cheers,
Kernal

Also, to clear away the hysteria, no crafting requires any of:
+3 tomes
Astral diamonds
Epic tokens

These all can be used to buy the purified dragonshards, but you can also use things like +1 or +2 tomes. 

You can be an idiot if you want and burn your +3 tome, but there's really no reason to.

-Kernal

Eladiun wrote on Jul 7^th, 2011 at 3:07pm:

No you say fuck it, now I can use Silver Flame pots     


Honestly this overhaul is fucked. I need to stop pussyfooting around and get my crafting level up. 200,000 clicks, here I come.

If this goes live like it is, I may quit til they fix it.

This is fucking ridiculousness.

Kernal wrote on Jul 7^th, 2011 at 3:02pm:

I see your point, but that is a bad example.  I can't imagine crafting a Greater Halfling Bane under any circumstances.  They could give it away for a copper or make me delete a character -- it wouldn't matter.

I take that back.  I would craft one if I could chase Flint around with it.

Anyway, my point is you only craft if it is worth it to craft.  I know I've gotten most of my crafting xp by crafting the highest level shard I can, then either throwing it away or deconstructing it (once I figured that part out).  Just doing that with loot got me to the high 30's or so when I'm splitting time between DDO and Rift.  About 5 hours per week in DDO, and I'd spend 15 minutes crafting at the end of the night.  The hardcore people were levelling like crazy in no time I'm sure.

If they make it super expensive across the board, then we will just get our xp by deconstructing.  The price on essences will fall, because they won't be the critical item to craft anymore.  It slows everyone's levelling pace down to a manageable level.  And it ensures that we will have something to do with our excess loot for a long time.  IMO it is a good step towards fixing our very broken economy.

Inkblack wrote on Jul 7^th, 2011 at 3:31pm:


I think anyone on Khyber who knows me would love to do this.

rest wrote on Jul 7^th, 2011 at 3:29pm:


Indeed because him and Eladrin are the morons who don't get it at a basic level.

They are going to keep the pay to win 'purified' junk in and named loot.  They are just going to pull the most egregiously stupid ones all the while only because people said they were stupid and not because they don't realize that greater halfling bane has about as much value as the club of the holy flame.

Where the hell is Stainer so he can tell his buddies at the gaming website he always name drops to do a story about this.

A "whoops" by the developers they have no intention of stopping from going live? Even after admitting the mistake? Sounds like compelling reading to me.

Stainer!

Gkar says:

Quote:

http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=3908439&postcount=101



Here's the post (MadFloyd's) Gkar is referring to:

Quote:

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?p=3908183#post3908183

Eladiun wrote on Jul 7^th, 2011 at 2:04pm:


But how will we get through Epic Swiped Signet without GHB weapons?   

Inkblack -

I thought you mentioned a while ago that many of the ML testers were dropping because some of the things that rolled out were pretty bad. Any chance that this craftardedness was one of the culprits?

Much of the raid loot from older quests is quite useless, and I have no problem with those pieces being used in crafting if they are not going to upgrade the quest itself. However, assigning the still useful items to crafting just seems dumb, especially if the end result is going to be less powerful than the items used to craft in the first place.

They should leave the chattering ring for greater halfling bane since no one would actually make a greater halfling bane anyways.

Other than that there's a lot of these that are just stupid.  Flawless Siberys Dragonshard and FIVE blood of dragons for greater dragon bane?  LDS+Demon's Blood for Greater Evil Outsider Bane?  Spectral Gloves for Attack Bonus +4?

Bah, to hell with crafting.  It's just not worth the headache anymore.