Epoch wrote on Jul 9^th, 2011 at 10:15pm:


You know what you can get?

Oakianus wrote on Jul 9^th, 2011 at 8:34pm:


If I hadn't done any Cannith crafting in any way, shape, or form since it came out, I'd agree with you.

However, my crafting levels are 94/94/79 which means I've spent a lot of time and a LOT of resources to get good at it.

If they "yank the football away" (much like Lucy does to Charlie Brown) from other crafters like me, it will prove once and for all Turbine doesn't care about their game nor their customers. I've been playing since Head Start (over 5.5 years) and while Turbine's done a lot to screw over their players, this would be the LAST straw. I like the current Cannith crafting (although I would not be sad to see Unbound shards go away) and I saw it as an opportunity to better the equipment on some of my toons. Equipment that I neither have the time nor luck to get via raiding, epic or otherwise.

Take away the one thing they've done recently that I really like then what's the point in staying?

stainer wrote on Jul 9^th, 2011 at 9:52pm:


I dunno, I don't think that there are that many people who are heavily into the higher levels of crafting who would be slobbering over throwing their raid loot at crafting.  As far as the impact, wouldn't it mean more people who were running raids looking for loot? 

I mean, sure, there'll be more people who aren't going to pass their Dreamspitter because they need one for crafting, but how many of that sort of dude would have even been in that raid otherwise? 

It's entirely possible that I'm wrong about how many high-level crafters there are, but from what I've seen, at least, there really aren't a whole lot of folks who have been willing to put in the grind needed to hit the level where you'd even have to worry about this sort of thing. 

And that much I can understand, Arkat.  For those folks who did grind their way up into the 90s, it's gotta feel like a bit of a kick in the balls, so if you and others in the same boat wanted to quit over this, I could understand it.  After all, you've not only blown a shitload of time, but probably a fat pile of resources as well.  Hopefully the next pass doesn't look quite so stupid. 

Oakianus wrote on Jul 10^th, 2011 at 8:15am:



You like to work things out for yourself, but I will give you a hint. If a Sorc pulls Tharnes goggles in VoD, and there are a bunch of Melees, what usually happens? If the Sorc could use it to craft something now, what happens?

Here is another hint. Most people only have one of their characters as a crafter. Raid loot is BtC for the most part. What does that mean?

Have you ever seen a +4 tome in a chest? If for some reason those were made into crafting ingredients, what would it mean?

As for your comment to there aren't many high level characters.... maybe in your circle, but I will tell you it isn't the case in mine.

While you are working on that, here is some Conway Twitty.

popejubal wrote on Jul 10^th, 2011 at 11:36am:


I was speaking of high level crafters, but yes that would be good info to know.

stainer wrote on Jul 10^th, 2011 at 10:48am:

I was thinking about this today, and I honestly don't think that it would have that much of an impact, because people don't tend to be giant dickholes.  I mean, shards of power are craftable trinkets, but I see them getting passed left and right. 

I dunno, I haven't really looked over the full list of this atrocity, but I just don't think that most people will fundamentally turn into jerks over stuff that's really important for someone else's build unless the shard is something they really need as well.  And if it means that certain loot becomes more desirable, is that really all that bad of a thing? 

I agree, if +3 and +4 tomes were to be mandatory for important shards, that'd be utterly ridiculous because of the rarity of such things.  And the Abbot Tome trade-ins are pretty stupid too, because of how few of them there are.  But the more I think of it, the more I think that a Dreamspitter sink isn't really that horrible.  And really, isn't that the worst offender fro the standpoint of being a desirable shard and having a ridiculously high requirement? 

That last question is a legit question and not just rhetorical, btw.  I honestly don't know the answer.