only faggots worry about others builds.


yep only faggots.

Mmm, and so it is. A few "Nerf the casters" topics popular today, was thinking of the wrong one when i made this post.

Still quite exceptional to see so many people acting and discussing rationally and more impressively, while the forums is bacically unmoderated because its the weekend.

I'd like to see monster HP reduced (or melee weapon damage increased) and AC increased.

Malicia is easy to kill if you can hit her.  I've also seen PUGs where I'm pretty sure my Fighter was the only one who was hitting on more than a 20.

I'd like to see more of that.  I'd like to see places where a real investment into Melee would actually be worthwhile instead of just trying to squeeze that last 1% out of your DPS.

AtomicMew wrote on Jul 10^th, 2011 at 9:02pm:


Yes.

Don't give a fuck.

Someone worked for that so they should be able to reap those rewards.

Fuck Off wrote on Jul 10^th, 2011 at 9:16pm:

So, you don't care that classes aren't balanced.

A hypothetical: what if arcanes had a level 9 spell that insta-killed everything in radius with no save or SR check and with a cooldown of 5 seconds.  You still "worked for it" by leveling up to 20.  Would that still be okay in your book? 

If so, congratulations on being the first person to simultaneously put forth that argument and be consistent... I guess.

AtomicMew wrote on Jul 10^th, 2011 at 10:43pm:


life is not balanced so why should a game be?

every class should have pros and cons.
if everything was balanced and everybody did the EXACT DPS, then i would move on to the next game very fast.

fuck that shit.
that's gey as all hell

Combat Wombat wrote on Jul 11^th, 2011 at 1:02am:


DnD had always been this way with casters spells in general.

The only real con as a caster was having low HP and early on they couldn't do much.  Divines could always self heal and the arcane types had to wait until they got whatever self heal capability they were going to get or they had to kill things before they died.

Turbine also went with the SP system instead of having number of spells per day so we spam stuff.  How many PnP games do you really stay perm hasted/raged/elemental resisted/GH/all the other buffs? 

Then there is poor AI with little buffing on their part and spamming spells that clearly doesn't work like kobolds spamming magic missile when you clearly have some kind of shield up yet they continue to do cast that spell.  It happens on all levels.  Some critter may try to cast some kind of hold several times in a row yet we continue to run freely because we have freedom of movement.  Some quests the mobs will dispell your stuff but it doesn't happen in all quests.

I wouldn't mind having a divine critter casting deathward but there really are not many divine critters.  I would prefer to be able to dispell it much like I have to prep a critter to be fingered because I don't always land my fingers without some kind of prep work.  Typically I'll mass hold and let the melee types deal with some of the trash because it still is efficient.

It would be nice if the melee types thought about more than just DPS.  They don't carry curse spewers or shattermantles.  They can't be bothered to carry those because they feel they are just for DPS.  So it falls back onto the caster to deal with debuffing mobs. 

It is my fucking SP, I debuffed the critter myself so I get to decide what to do with my SP.  If the melee types actually contributed in that debuffing, I would have more sympathy.  Most don't so they don't so they can go fuck themselves.

I'm happy with the variety my caster has now.

If people are really serious about fixing things, they need to ask for better designed quests, better/larger selection of combat feats for melee and better AI.

Nerfing is not the solution to anything because it just pisses people off.

AtomicMew wrote on Jul 10^th, 2011 at 10:43pm:


Something something straw man.

Asheras wrote on Jul 11^th, 2011 at 9:26am:


Amen.  If there is clearly a "best" option (in this case casters), the variety in the game fades, and the game becomes boring.  I don't enjoy boring games, do you?

DoTs are ludicrously overpowered and need to be adjusted.

Eladiun wrote on Jul 11^th, 2011 at 11:24am:


I like how you avoided the word nerf.

JC wrote on Jul 11^th, 2011 at 12:09pm:



The whole spell pass needs adjustment it was poorly planned.  I have a TR'd 20 caster and I say nerf DoTs  they are totally fucking up most boss fights.  They have no save and no spell pen check.  That's foolish in the same patch that added a spell pen check to Mass Hold.