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Reply #25 - Jul 27th, 2011 at 7:59pm
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Reply #26 - Jul 28th, 2011 at 2:50am
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I just realised the hobglob may have had 1 pt more dmg than it was meant to in my calcs, and the disint may have been left off the new eCM. Anyway below numbers are double checked Smiley


0% no DR (Trash)

Epic Chimera's Fang = 100.9 = 85.65 + 15.25 (3d10 base = 107.23 = 91.98 + 15.25)
Lit2 Khopesh =  114.15 = 87.68 + 26.48
+5 Hobglob = 108.35 = 91.73 + 16.63


50% Fort, Good and Silver DR (15)

Epic Chimera's Fang = 91.8 = 76.55 + 15.25 (3d10 base = 97.58 = 82.33 + 15.25)
Lit2 Khopesh = 84.8 = 58.33 + 26.48
+5 Hobglob = 92.65 = 76.03 + 16.63


100% Fort, no DR

Epic Chimera's Fang = 82.7 = 67.45 + 15.25 (3d10 base = 87.93 = 72.68 + 15.25)
Lit2 Khopesh = 83.95 = 57.48 + 26.48
+5 Hobglob = 76.95 = 60.33 + 16.63

In conclusion, if you do not have to hit issues, the new Epic Chimera's Fang is gimp.
Lit2 or crafted is the way to go. If you have to hit issues, then you are not a Blitz or 18 fighter, and probably can't fit the feats in anyway.

Big MEH.
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Reply #27 - Jul 28th, 2011 at 10:25am
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Felgor wrote on Jul 28th, 2011 at 2:50am:
I just realised the hobglob may have had 1 pt more dmg than it was meant to in my calcs, and the disint may have been left off the new eCM. Anyway below numbers are double checked Smiley


0% no DR (Trash)

Epic Chimera's Fang = 100.9 = 85.65 + 15.25 (3d10 base = 107.23 = 91.98 + 15.25)
Lit2 Khopesh =  114.15 = 87.68 + 26.48
+5 Hobglob = 108.35 = 91.73 + 16.63


50% Fort, Good and Silver DR (15)

Epic Chimera's Fang = 91.8 = 76.55 + 15.25 (3d10 base = 97.58 = 82.33 + 15.25)
Lit2 Khopesh = 84.8 = 58.33 + 26.48
+5 Hobglob = 92.65 = 76.03 + 16.63


100% Fort, no DR

Epic Chimera's Fang = 82.7 = 67.45 + 15.25 (3d10 base = 87.93 = 72.68 + 15.25)
Lit2 Khopesh = 83.95 = 57.48 + 26.48
+5 Hobglob = 76.95 = 60.33 + 16.63

In conclusion, if you do not have to hit issues, the new Epic Chimera's Fang is gimp.
Lit2 or crafted is the way to go. If you have to hit issues, then you are not a Blitz or 18 fighter, and probably can't fit the feats in anyway.

Big MEH.


Human pally s&b tank might have fun with one behind a shield though. It's by far and away the best one hander for that niche.

Still pretty good numbers though. Would be nice against those super high ac targets.

Also, fuck turbine for trading weapon procs. It's a fucking epic weapon. Give it x3 crit or put back lightning strike. And the 3d10.

It's supposed to be epic you retards.
  
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Re: Finalized House D & P Epic Item Changes
Reply #28 - Jul 28th, 2011 at 11:00am
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Human pally s&b tank might have fun with one behind a shield though. It's by far and away the best one hander for that niche.

Still pretty good numbers though. Would be nice against those super high ac targets.

Also, fuck turbine for trading weapon procs. It's a fucking epic weapon. Give it x3 crit or put back lightning strike. And the 3d10.

It's supposed to be epic you retards.


Yea but Stalwart Defender gets 15% hate from the ToD set and 20% from eClaw set (seeker/intim pirate hat and GoMF and the new bracer for dodge and toughness).

So the hate gen doesn't stack with the ideal gear you use anyway, and the hobglob is +9 vs +10 on those super high ac pic targets.

Good for Human Stalwart despite some redundancies...I wouldn't waste my time in House D for a pair that's for sure though.

It should be 3d10 and have the second proc (lit strike or disint) applied on the 3rd Dragonmark. That would make it worthwhile.
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Reply #29 - Jul 28th, 2011 at 4:09pm
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Felgor wrote on Jul 28th, 2011 at 11:00am:
Yea but Stalwart Defender gets 15% hate from the ToD set and 20% from eClaw set (seeker/intim pirate hat and GoMF and the new bracer for dodge and toughness).

So the hate gen doesn't stack with the ideal gear you use anyway, and the hobglob is +9 vs +10 on those super high ac pic targets.

Good for Human Stalwart despite some redundancies...I wouldn't waste my time in House D for a pair that's for sure though.

It should be 3d10 and have the second proc (lit strike or disint) applied on the 3rd Dragonmark. That would make it worthwhile.


Or put the 3d10 on the second, then lightning on the third?
  
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Reply #30 - Jul 28th, 2011 at 9:12pm
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Or put the 3d10 on the second, then lightning on the third?


Something like that. But only have the Sentinel feats as requirement for the AC/fort stuff and add disint to the last Sentinel feat maybe. That way a Halfling Fighter with Dragonmarks would be heaps of fun as 18/1/1 Fighter Rogue Ranger haha Smiley
  
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Reply #31 - Jul 28th, 2011 at 10:18pm
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Felgor wrote on Jul 28th, 2011 at 9:12pm:
Something like that. But only have the Sentinel feats as requirement for the AC/fort stuff and add disint to the last Sentinel feat maybe. That way a Halfling Fighter with Dragonmarks would be heaps of fun as 18/1/1 Fighter Rogue Ranger haha Smiley


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Reply #32 - Jul 28th, 2011 at 11:54pm
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No.

I got 39 UMD with air goggles on anyway....and HELF is ugly.
  
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Reply #33 - Jul 28th, 2011 at 11:55pm
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Felgor wrote on Jul 28th, 2011 at 11:54pm:
No.

I got 39 UMD with air goggles on anyway....and HELF is ugly.


Psh. HElf is OP and you know it.
  
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Reply #34 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 9:30am
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Psh. HElf is OP and you know it.


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Reply #35 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 11:15am
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Pretty sad I'd rather NOT have a helf with all their benefits simply because they're so hideous.

I have one, but he stalled out at level 10. I should finish his TR and TR him again into something that isn't from the uncanny valley.
  
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Reply #36 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 11:53am
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rest wrote on Aug 1st, 2011 at 11:15am:
Pretty sad I'd rather NOT have a helf with all their benefits simply because they're so hideous.

I have one, but he stalled out at level 10. I should finish his TR and TR him again into something that isn't from the uncanny valley.


Idk, half elves don't look quite as I had hoped, considering I usually played a half elf in my pnp campaigns.

Saying that, the only issue I have is how they're faces get mashed in focus orbs, character selection screen, etc., yet in character creation, they look completely different.
  
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Reply #37 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 6:06pm
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Glenalth wrote on Jul 26th, 2011 at 4:06pm:
Use Epic Bladesmark and slot Toughness and Con. No -2 save plus the added benefit of Lifeshield.


That's my plan, trying to find the seal now.

Would prever Superior Potency VI on the mask of comedy (just need the seal for that also).
  
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Reply #38 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 6:11pm
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Glenalth wrote on Jul 26th, 2011 at 4:06pm:
Use Epic Bladesmark and slot Toughness and Con. No -2 save plus the added benefit of Lifeshield.


I wouldn't bother slotting Con...you'll likely have it from a ToD set.
  
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Reply #39 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 9:58pm
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I can't believe I am the only one outraged by the lack of Epic Big Top here.  Sad
  
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Reply #40 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 10:32pm
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woody wrote on Jul 26th, 2011 at 3:00pm:
Haggle bards will like that change.

Rosewood is looking forward to the eElyd change... that's her devil dr beater, rest are lit II.
  
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Reply #41 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 10:33pm
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Oakianus wrote on Aug 1st, 2011 at 9:58pm:
I can't believe I am the only one outraged by the lack of Epic Big Top here.  Sad 


IMO give it melodic guard and make the slot Yellow. Then it would be worth using, if only for fun Smiley

As it is now, it is only a swap in item for UMD.
  
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Reply #42 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 10:40pm
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Felgor wrote on Aug 1st, 2011 at 10:33pm:
IMO give it melodic guard and make the slot Yellow. Then it would be worth using, if only for fun Smiley

As it is now, it is only a swap in item for UMD.

I really cannot think of any build striving for UMD which would use it? Make it a green slot and maybe somewhat usable.
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Reply #43 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 10:52pm
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I wear the Big Top constantly because I make it look good, but still.  Maybe they know a lot of people do that anyway and they figure there's no reason to make it better when so many people wear it? 

The funny part is that there's no reason at all for me to even have epic'd the fucker.  Sad
  
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Reply #44 - Aug 2nd, 2011 at 12:11am
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Emili wrote on Aug 1st, 2011 at 10:40pm:
I really cannot think of any build striving for UMD which would use it? Make it a green slot and maybe somewhat usable.



Why not?  It and the Spyglass from Crystal Cove are the only two items with a stacking UMD bonus.
  
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Reply #45 - Aug 2nd, 2011 at 3:28am
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Eladiun wrote on Aug 2nd, 2011 at 12:11am:
Why not?  It and the Spyglass from Crystal Cove are the only two items with a stacking UMD bonus.


I think she means as a full time piece of gear.

I use it as a swap in on my Pally along with the Bunny hat for TS/Blur/Shield/Exp Retreat.

Some gear is just good as a swap in, clickies, UMD bonus etc. No one complains about the Titan Gloves as a clicky.
  
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