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popejubal Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline fnord Posts: 6364 Location: Argo Joined: Aug 6^th, 2010 Gender:	Farming for XP on Elite instead of Normal Aug 9^th, 2011 at 1:55pm	Print Post
	From FlimsyFirewood http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?p=3978212#post3978212 Quote: As to the Elite/Hard not being rewarding enough, we got this change coming soon(tm). I'm quoting from Lammania release notes: * A new bonus has been created that awards players for running quests consecutively on hard and elite difficulties. This Bravery Bonus is a 5% bonus (10% bonus on Elite) that will "stack" up to five times, or until a player runs a quest on Normal difficulty. * XP Rewards for first time completion on normal, hard, and elite are now 25%, 40% and 80% respectively. So, yeah. Die harder! Elite 1: +80% +10% = +90% Elite 2: +20% Elite 3: +30% Elite 4: +40% -10% Elite 5: +50% -20% Elite 6 +50% -30% . . . Looks like XP farming on Elite just got a LOT more attractive than doing the same on Normal. At least some people already do Wiz King and Shadow Crypt that way. Looks like it will happen even more now. I'm a fan.

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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Farming for XP on Elite instead of Normal Reply #1 - Aug 9^th, 2011 at 1:57pm	Print Post
	Fuck yeah!


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kum-gulp VoD Slasher Offline I Love Tired Vault Memes! Posts: 1810 Joined: Jul 16^th, 2010	Re: Farming for XP on Elite instead of Normal Reply #2 - Aug 9^th, 2011 at 1:59pm	Print Post
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Eladiun Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Two Time Loser Posts: 8398 Location: Rhode Island, USA Joined: Jun 17^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Farming for XP on Elite instead of Normal Reply #3 - Aug 9^th, 2011 at 2:05pm	Print Post
	* A new bonus has been created that awards players for running quests consecutively on hard and elite difficulties. This Bravery Bonus is a 5% bonus (10% bonus on Elite) that will "stack" up to five times, or until a player runs a quest on Normal difficulty. My question is does this mean the same quest or any quest (i.e. 5 different quests on Elite) if any then you could get +130%.

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Belwaar Shroud Slacker Offline Posts: 1017 Location: With Hordo's Mom Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Farming for XP on Elite instead of Normal Reply #4 - Aug 9^th, 2011 at 2:10pm	Print Post
	Although I welcome it, seeing as how I run purely elite quests when doing my TR/lowbie runs, do we really need another easy button, in regards to xp? So after all stacking, xp pots, xp shrines, Voice/Mantle, we're looking at close to +200%xp? (if I'm understanding this correcntly...Good gawd that's ridiculous.) At least this will make 2+TRing a little easier...I guess...
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Eladiun Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Two Time Loser Posts: 8398 Location: Rhode Island, USA Joined: Jun 17^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Farming for XP on Elite instead of Normal Reply #5 - Aug 9^th, 2011 at 2:12pm	Print Post
	Belwaar wrote on Aug 9^th, 2011 at 2:10pm: Although I welcome it, seeing as how I run purely elite quests when doing my TR/lowbie runs, do we really need another easy button, in regards to xp? So after all stacking, xp pots, xp shrines, Voice/Mantle, we're looking at close to +200%xp?� Good gawd that's ridiculous.� At least this will make 2+TRing a little easier...I guess... I don't look at it as an easy button really. Rather than running 8 Normal, 1 Hard, 1, Elite you would run 1 Normal, 1 Hard, 8 Elite. It might make XP easier but it will make it more interesting running the quest. You actually get a reward for pushing the difficult.

	Nevynn wrote on Nov 18^th, 2010 at 11:38pm: Anybody coming to this board expecting anything more sophisticated than a dick joke had better get used to disappointment. Calvet wrote on Oct 20^th, 2011 at 12:18pm: I just got that impression after you spent 13 pages calling out eladiun for being an interwebs bully when anyone who's been posting on here already knew that.� I mean, he's proud of it and hardly tries to hide that at all. Quote: Eladiun is an awful person
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Scupperer Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 142 Joined: Apr 26^th, 2011	Re: Farming for XP on Elite instead of Normal Reply #6 - Aug 9^th, 2011 at 2:14pm	Print Post
	Wait, how is it an easy button? Getting from 0 experience to 4.3 million experience is NOT difficult, it's just really fucking time consuming.� This is the exact opposite of an easy button, because it means you can remove some of the time consuming grind if you play quests more on harder difficulty levels.� In other words, it makes the game more difficult.� The fact that Elite is still really easy in most cases doesn't matter; it's still more difficult than Normal.
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Belwaar Shroud Slacker Offline Posts: 1017 Location: With Hordo's Mom Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Farming for XP on Elite instead of Normal Reply #7 - Aug 9^th, 2011 at 2:15pm	Print Post
	Eladiun wrote on Aug 9^th, 2011 at 2:12pm: I don't look at it as an easy button really.� Rather than running 8 Normal, 1 Hard, 1, Elite you would run 1 Normal, 1 Hard, 8 Elite. It might make XP easier but it will make it more interesting running the quest.� You actually get a reward for pushing the difficult. I guess that's a good point. Although, based off how things have gone in the past, I wouldn't be surprised if they did this for all difficulties...

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Kernal Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 53 Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010	Re: Farming for XP on Elite instead of Normal Reply #8 - Aug 9^th, 2011 at 2:16pm	Print Post
	My interpretation of the OP is that it needn't be the same quest you run on elite. The bonus keeps increasing (up to max) "until you run a quest on normal." So you can go run all your quests on hard/elite getting huge exp bonuses (+90% first time hard; +130% first time elite). Sucks for Premium though; can't open past normal solo! -Kernal

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Scupperer Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 142 Joined: Apr 26^th, 2011	Re: Farming for XP on Elite instead of Normal Reply #9 - Aug 9^th, 2011 at 2:16pm	Print Post
	It's also an improvement to a VIP perk, as well.� Being able to run stuff for the first time on Elite without an opener and all of that. EDIT: What Kernal just said as well
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Belwaar Shroud Slacker Offline Posts: 1017 Location: With Hordo's Mom Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Farming for XP on Elite instead of Normal Reply #10 - Aug 9^th, 2011 at 2:18pm	Print Post
	Scupperer wrote on Aug 9^th, 2011 at 2:14pm: Wait, how is it an easy button? Getting from 0 experience to 4.3 million experience is NOT difficult, it's just really fucking time consuming.� This is the exact opposite of an easy button, because it means you can remove some of the time consuming grind if you play quests more on harder difficulty levels.� In other words, it makes the game more difficult.� The fact that Elite is still really easy in most cases doesn't matter; it's still more difficult than Normal. It's an easy button in that you're getting things done faster. You're getting more bonuses. I don't see what's so hard to understand. And this doesn't make the game harder. Fine, call it a "grind-subtractor".

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Glenalth Puppy Farmer Offline Not banned, just bored Posts: 1602 Location: Albuquerque Joined: Sep 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Farming for XP on Elite instead of Normal Reply #11 - Aug 9^th, 2011 at 2:25pm	Print Post
	Kernal wrote on Aug 9^th, 2011 at 2:16pm: My interpretation of the OP is that it needn't be the same quest you run on elite.� The bonus keeps increasing (up to max) "until you run a quest on normal."� So you can go run all your quests on hard/elite getting huge exp bonuses (+90% first time hard; +130% first time elite).� Sucks for Premium though; can't open past normal solo! -Kernal This is how I'm reading it too. It makes the VIP opening perk quite a bit nicer.


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Kernal Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 53 Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010	Re: Farming for XP on Elite instead of Normal Reply #12 - Aug 9^th, 2011 at 2:32pm	Print Post
	Very different, actually.� Elite once-and-done is the best way to take advantage of this change.� Quote: The bravery bonus is a once ever per quest bonus and is not reset by LR's and GR's. The bonus is not added or increased until you run a new quest then the bonus is either increased or reapplied if at cap.
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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Farming for XP on Elite instead of Normal Reply #13 - Aug 9^th, 2011 at 2:32pm	Print Post
	Less grind does not equal "easy button."


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Eladiun Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Two Time Loser Posts: 8398 Location: Rhode Island, USA Joined: Jun 17^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Farming for XP on Elite instead of Normal Reply #14 - Aug 9^th, 2011 at 2:32pm	Print Post
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	Nevynn wrote on Nov 18^th, 2010 at 11:38pm: Anybody coming to this board expecting anything more sophisticated than a dick joke had better get used to disappointment. Calvet wrote on Oct 20^th, 2011 at 12:18pm: I just got that impression after you spent 13 pages calling out eladiun for being an interwebs bully when anyone who's been posting on here already knew that.� I mean, he's proud of it and hardly tries to hide that at all. Quote: Eladiun is an awful person
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Darkrok Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1066 Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Farming for XP on Elite instead of Normal Reply #15 - Aug 9^th, 2011 at 2:36pm	Print Post
	What people complaining about an easy button need to decide is if they really mean 'easy button' or if they really just want DDO to be a massive time grind on a TR. Listen...I PuG a LOT. I do it because it's fun most days. But I've been in some groups for quests on normal that would have wiped if I wasn't there. I was playing my first life barb project last night in a Tor group. I carry all the goodies a first-life can have at that point for self-sufficiency but obviously on a barb my 'keep the rest of you alive' is limited to intim'ing anything I can gather and killing things quickly. Anyways, we decide to 4-man it while we get more people with my barb, a ranger, a wizard, and a cleric. Both the wizard and the cleric summoned hirelings. This is on normal Tor with a 12-16 group. We start the fight in the opening room. Before 2 waves are done, the wizard (who NEVER threw a single buff for that fight on anyone but himself, haste included) and the cleric (who never healed anyone but himself for that entire fight) are both dead. On normal. The wizard then proceeds to lecture us on how that's why you can't run any quest without a full 6-man group. My point to this story? Making it so that people like this can run quests on hard or elite to get more xp isn't creating an 'easy mode'. Good god, they can't even finish normal unless they rope a competent player into dragging them through the quest! What it is doing is rewarding the competent players for doing something more difficult than normal. Depending on the toon and the quest that 'more difficult' part can mean a change in difficulty from having a pulse to breathing and having a pulse but at least it's something to encourage more difficulty in the game. I'd think the 733t folks would be eating that up but w/e.

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Schmoe Epic Poster Offline One world, one soul Posts: 4219 Location: A chair Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010	Re: Farming for XP on Elite instead of Normal Reply #16 - Aug 9^th, 2011 at 2:40pm	Print Post
	http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?&postid=3978381#post3978381 Quote: The bravery bonus is a once ever per quest bonus and is not reset by LR's and GR's. The bonus is not added or increased until you run a new quest then the bonus is either increased or reapplied if at cap. Nerd rage to follow.

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Darkrok Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1066 Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Farming for XP on Elite instead of Normal Reply #17 - Aug 9^th, 2011 at 2:42pm	Print Post
	Schmoe wrote on Aug 9^th, 2011 at 2:40pm: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?&postid=3978381#post3978381 Nerd rage to follow. I really love this. It may not kill nx10,h,e. It may not kill the new ex10,h,n. But it gives options to whatever way you'd prefer to go. It makes running around running most quests that don't include a guy named Coyle on elite a feasible way to level quickly. More ways in which people can level effectively is a good thing.

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Schmoe Epic Poster Offline One world, one soul Posts: 4219 Location: A chair Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010	Re: Farming for XP on Elite instead of Normal Reply #18 - Aug 9^th, 2011 at 2:49pm	Print Post
	Darkrok wrote on Aug 9^th, 2011 at 2:42pm: I really love this.� It may not kill nx10,h,e.� It may not kill the new ex10,h,n.� But it gives options to whatever way you'd prefer to go.� It makes running around running most quests that don't include a guy named Coyle on elite a feasible way to level quickly.� More ways in which people can level effectively is a good thing. Reading that thread that sirgog started, I'm beginning to like it as well. I normally spread my questing around between different quests anyway; it looks like maybe I'll have more company and be better rewarded for it now.

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Invelios VoD Slasher Offline Posts: 1965 Location: Houston, TX Joined: Aug 3^rd, 2010 Gender:	Re: Farming for XP on Elite instead of Normal Reply #19 - Aug 9^th, 2011 at 2:52pm	Print Post
	so run a bunch of easy ass quests on elite, get massive xp bonus, run delera's, shadow crypt, wiz king et al run on normal for a reset, then do it all again.

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Kernal Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 53 Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010	Re: Farming for XP on Elite instead of Normal Reply #20 - Aug 9^th, 2011 at 2:56pm	Print Post
	Invelios wrote on Aug 9^th, 2011 at 2:52pm: so run a bunch of easy ass quests on elite, get massive xp bonus, run delera's, shadow crypt, wiz king et al run on normal for a reset, then do it all again. You seem to be confused. You get the bonus once per quest per life. The "I got the bonus" flag isn't reset by running on norm. The only thing reset by running on norm is the size of the bonus, which drops from (whatever you're at) to 0. There's almost no point in running quests on normal as a TR now, except if you're unfortunate enough to need to unlock hard. -Kernal

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Schmoe Epic Poster Offline One world, one soul Posts: 4219 Location: A chair Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010	Re: Farming for XP on Elite instead of Normal Reply #21 - Aug 9^th, 2011 at 2:57pm	Print Post
	Invelios wrote on Aug 9^th, 2011 at 2:52pm: so run a bunch of easy ass quests on elite, get massive xp bonus, run delera's, shadow crypt, wiz king et al run on normal for a reset, then do it all again. No, it's a one-time-only bonus per quest, so no reset. Also, they increased the bonus for running hard/elite, which is also a one-time-only bonus per quest.

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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Farming for XP on Elite instead of Normal Reply #22 - Aug 9^th, 2011 at 2:58pm	Print Post
	I have the weirdest XP-related boner right now.


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Invelios VoD Slasher Offline Posts: 1965 Location: Houston, TX Joined: Aug 3^rd, 2010 Gender:	Re: Farming for XP on Elite instead of Normal Reply #23 - Aug 9^th, 2011 at 3:00pm	Print Post
	Ok my bad, misread the bonus. So that means a lot more elite shroud, ToD, Hound, VOD. Fun times.

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stainer Arkat's Bitch Offline Gawna's big sexy crony! Posts: 12345 Location: gawna's nuts Joined: Jan 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Farming for XP on Elite instead of Normal Reply #24 - Aug 9^th, 2011 at 3:11pm	Print Post
	There will be n reason to run normal from now on, correct? You will run all your quests at the hard level at least, if not elite.

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