stainer wrote on Aug 9^th, 2011 at 3:11pm:


That's my impression.  A quest would need to have a phenomenal exp/min (and base exp) to justify running on norm at all, because doing so would cut heavily into the exp/min you earn on subsequent quests. 

-Kernal

I'm sure it won't work correctly the first time it's implemented. Hopefully someone figures out to get a 9000% bonus through some sort of trickery. Then we can exploit early and often.

Come on, people, I'm trapped at work for at least more 3 hours, and won't be able to get on Lama for another 5 hours. Get on there and start answering these questions.

Fully stacked Elite Shadow Crypt is going to be absolutely bananas. 130% base (50% from stack, 80% from the new elite first time bonus) + 25% pot + 5% voice + 3% (or higher) guild = like 25k for just the quest. Not including the optional bosses.

Unless my math sucks (which it probably does).

Now does the stack influence optionals? If so, Wiz king just got a lot more awesome.

It's unclear (to me) how the bravery bonus stacks if you alternate hard/elite runs.  Here's my speculation:

The bravery bonus increments by one (max 5) each time you complete a quest on hard or elite.  It resets to zero if you complete a quest on normal.
When completing a quest on hard, you get an extra exp boost of (bravery bonus size)*5%.
When completing a quest on elite, you get an extra exp boost of (bravery bonus size)*10%. 

So completing 5 quests on hard and then one elite, the elite quest would get the whole +50% boost.  Completing a quest on hard after that would only get a +25% boost. 

Just a guess.

-Kernal

Honestly if I have to think too hard about it, I'll just keep farming like I have in the past. I'm too lazy to plan shit like that out.

From MadFloyd:


Originally Posted by MadFloyd View Post
Let me try to explain it.

If a quest has never been run by your character (i.e. it's 'virgin' to him/her) then you qualify to get a Bravery bonus by running it on either hard or elite.

Failing and trying multiple times doesn't matter.

Once you complete it on either hard or elite, you get a Bravery Bonus. This is on top of the one time difficulty bonus that you already enjoy.

Now, this quest is no longer 'vrigin' and you're free to re-run it 10,000 times without having it affect future Bravery bonuses.

Now you go and complete another virgin quest on hard or elite. This starts a streak. Now you get the one time difficulty bonus, plus a bravery bonus PLUS an additional bonus for having a streak going.

Streaks stack up to 5 times and a completion of Elite counts as both a Hard AND Elite streak. In other words, if you complete Elite 3 times in a row, your streaks look like:

Hard: 3
Elite: 3

A hard streak is 5% per and elite is 10%, so you would get a 30% bonus in this case.

If you end up completing the next virgin quest on Hard, your Elite streak is reset but Hard continues:

Hard: 4
Elite: 0

In this case you get a 20% bonus (4 x 5%).

You can start your Elite streak back up, but because we always apply the highest bonus, you would get 25% for Hard (5 x 5%) until your Elite streak bonus surpassed the Hard streak bonus.

I'm writing this quickly, sorry if I'm not being clear.

MF


So I think the optimal farming will be E/12xN/H

Invelios wrote on Aug 9^th, 2011 at 5:53pm:

No, as long as you complete Hard or Elite before you run Normal it won't reset your streak count.  So run elite 1st, and after that it doesn't matter.

Originally Posted by Hollowgolem View Post
So what happens if you run a quest for the first time on elite, run another 4 quests for the first time on elite, and then run the first quest (which you've already run) on normal? Does that reset the counter?
Nope. We're trying to make it flexible enough to not overly complicate grouping. Once a quest is no longer 'virgin' to you, it cannot affect your streak counters.

'Brave' basically means 'This character has never run this quest. Instead of starting with Normal (or casual for that matter), I'll challenge myself by playing it on Hard or Elite.'

Once you've successfully completed the quest on any difficulty then your character is familiar with it and doesn't qualify for further bravery bonuses on that quest.

What if you run it epic first time?  That should give like 300% more XP!

I'm slow I guess. Doesn't make much goddamned sense to me. Maybe I'll have to play around with it to understand better how it works.

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Would there be some sort of cut off.  For example I dont see that you could take a lvl 19 toon that hasn't ran waterworks on elite then go off and do something else and have it stack.  or has that already been covered?

Kothar11 wrote on Aug 9^th, 2011 at 7:43pm:


I think that's exactly what you could do.

Leaving TR's for a minute. It reads like one could create a new vet character and skip Korthos/Harbor/maybe most of Market. Then level, fast with this new bonus or slow without, up to Vale'ish range. Maybe even 17-18. Go back to Korthos and bang out 5 rediculously easy elite quests, go back to the Vale, and cap while flagging for Shroud.

I'm more concerned with how it's going to effect DQ1/Titan Pre-Raid. Both raids easy to start running real early. Both with *pre*raids usually run on casual or norm and continued to be run well into the no xp for over level range.

I also see it being a bit of a headache for a few quests. Who's going to want to run Shadow Crypt, Wizking, Von 3 or 5 if their bravery bonus isn't stacked.

All and all I think I like it. Need to see it in action first. Particularly with a line in the release notes about monsters toughening up after fighting players so much. Elite might really, REALLY, be worth the massive bonus.

If elite's still real easy though I think it's going to end up an easy button. Save a few easy quests to elite later before hitting vale/refuge and cap your TRs before Amrath. If that's how it ends up I'd rather they just shift much of the xp needed to TR to below lvl14 where the content is.