Scupperer wrote on Aug 9^th, 2011 at 2:14pm:


Yep. It's a hard button, not an easy button.

This isn't going to provide any bonuses at all really...

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As soon as my bard successfully transfers over i will test this for you as he has not done anything in Korthos yet or some of the market quest.

If it turns out like this, i wonder if they will change it for live if not make vet skip all but the best xp/min lowbie quest and hit them up at later levels

Draz

popejubal wrote on Aug 10^th, 2011 at 12:56am:


But I did make a vet and it seems that none of the harbor or marketplace quest got the whole "done" label.   

Seams to me it would be easier to do e/n x 10/h/c

Because once you've ran the quest the first time on elite it is still normally faster to run it on normal for farming no? And once you've ran and completed a quest it no longer counts towards your streak if you run it on normal.

Unless your window farming and have a good group then just blast out elites.. I solo 99% of the time so it'll be n/h/e for me..

over time the E/nx10/h would result in more XP.

I don't see how you think not getting a bonus is worth more xp over time.

But it applies to future quests that are not the same so over time the xp would increase not decrease, as your elite runs would have a 50% bonus applied in addition the the 80% first run bonus for a net of 130% on the first run.

yeah the first few quests at level 1 might take a hit but the future runs would result in a net increase in xp.

Amorosy wrote on Aug 10^th, 2011 at 1:02pm:


You need to work with numbers, not percentages.

Also, it's now +80% for a first time Elite, and the Bravery Bonus is +50%.

So let's take a hypothetical quest.

Say Quest X gives 750 C/1000 N/1250 H/1500 E.

Say it's also WORTH running 10x N (KNR/SC/XC/Delera Part 2/etc)

Your way is n x 10, H, E

first time Normal = +25%. XP starts to degrade after run 3 (not affected by difficulties run.

So your totals would look like the following:

10xN
1250,1000,1000,900,800,700,600,500,400,300
1XH (Hard is now +40%)
1750
1xE (Elite is now +80%)
2700

Add these up for a total of 11,900 xp in the 12 runs.



Now we take the new way of E (with full +50% Bravery bonus), n x10, H

First run is Elite

Ex1 (+80% % +50% full Bravery for a total of +130%)
3450
Nx10 (+25%)
1250,1000,900,800,700,600,500,400,300,200
Hx1 (+40%)
1750

Add these up for a total of 11,850 XP in 12 runs.

11,850/11,900 = .99%

So at 12 runs, you actually get 99% of the possible XP by running Elite first. This bonus would grow then, exponentially, if you were to run it less times on normal it seems.

These are ALSO assuming no penalties for over levelling (by doing it one lvl above Normal Difficulty, this is possible), but not taking in the +10% no death bonus.

Edit: Bad Calculator apparently. Addition got fucked up.

Amorosy wrote on Aug 10^th, 2011 at 2:39pm:


I'll doublecheck. Good catch on that though. I may have hit a wrong key on the calculator

First time Elite bonus is now +80%, not 50%.

First time Hard Bonus is now +40%, not +25%.

First time Normal is still +25%.

I'll go back through with the addition and such though and modify the post itself.

Amorosy wrote on Aug 10^th, 2011 at 1:02pm:


Your argument is based on a faulty assumption.
Right now, suppose it's not worthwhile to run the 11th normal completion because of the -80% penalty.  Well, after U11 it will still not be worthwhile to run the 11th completion on normal because of the same -80% penalty. 

Skipping that tenth normal run (the eleventh run total), and thus running E/nx9/H/C gives +70% exp bonus on the elite run and one fewer completion than nx10/h/e/c.  Probably you're netting nearly the same exp over 12 runs instead of 13.  This is good!

Cheers,
Kernal

so 12 runs is only at 99% effectiveness with elite first. This means some quests should be run all Normal or all Elite first before going for seperate difficulties (KNR/Shadow Crypt).

But how does it look at 5 runs (0 repetition penalties)?

NNNHE
vs
ENNNH

still at the 750/1000/1250/1500 xp marks.

First time, we use the old method.

Nx3
1250,1000,1000
Hx1
1750
Ex1
2700

for a grand total of 7700 for 5 runs.

Now we calculate the new way.

Ex1 (full Bravery)
3450
Nx3
1250,1000,900
Hx1
1750

for a total of 8350.

8350/7700 =1.0844155

so 108% as effective for the same amount of work and time spent, just by doing it in a different order with some basic prep work.

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Link?

If I can get the Bravery bonus AND the old 50% streak bonus, I'm down for that.

Schmoe wrote on Aug 10^th, 2011 at 3:48pm:


Some quests are worth a 12th run. Not many, but some.


Most seem to pander out around the 6th normal run though.

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http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=3978913&postcount=7

Second picture, looking through all the bonuses.