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Emili Shroud Slacker Offline Posts: 1241 Location: here Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009	U11 - undocumented - Damage boost upgrade Aug 14^th, 2011 at 7:24pm	Print Post
	Quote: Yalann Apparently Class Damage Boosts as well as human versatility damage boosts are now becoming +25% weapon damage instead of +5 base damage at tier 4. This was nowhere in the release notes that I could find. This is a rather significant change to not be included. As it stands, it would in many cases undo what game balance existed for melee DPS. A horc 20 Barbarian, for example, would do 10%+ more DPS than a horc 20 Kensei with the same epic setup instead of being balanced with similar DPS. This change applies to the damage boosts for FvS, Rogue, Barbarian, and human versatility based on testing. Was this part of some future balance changes? Am I missing the bigger picture here? Some information about this would be useful... Actually a nice melee perk for barbs, FvS, Rogues and a good bump for human/helf HV. It's nice to least see some adjustment to melee classes on the rise rather than an environmental aspect introduced to inhibit them for a change.

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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: U11 - undocumented - Damage boost upgrade Reply #1 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 7:43pm	Print Post
	Shade posted about it here: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=335097

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ScaredyCat Ex Member	Re: U11 - undocumented - Damage boost upgrade Reply #2 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 8:15pm	Print Post
	I was just about to post about Shades reaction when I got a 502 DNS lookup error on my iPhone... But yes... V interesting.


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Fuck Off The Big Fuck Offline My favorite word is Fuck. Fuck, fuck, fuck. Posts: 1284 Location: Fuckville Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010	Re: U11 - undocumented - Damage boost upgrade Reply #3 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 9:07pm	Print Post
	Those damage boosts got more appealing to try and fit in. Since they were temporary, I only took them on my human characters that were going to take HV unless the class required I take one of those class boost types. I'll have to consider this. I like the change.
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Semper Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 173 Joined: Nov 25^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: U11 - undocumented - Damage boost upgrade Reply #4 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 9:20pm	Print Post
	definitely interesting , now just trying to fit them in


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Eladiun Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Two Time Loser Posts: 8398 Location: Rhode Island, USA Joined: Jun 17^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: U11 - undocumented - Damage boost upgrade Reply #5 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 9:27pm	Print Post
	Now, they aren't a waste of points.

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Blank_Zero Ex Member	Re: U11 - undocumented - Damage boost upgrade Reply #6 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 9:31pm	Print Post
	Suddenly, my HElf blitz idea will be much more effective.


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popejubal Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline fnord Posts: 6364 Location: Argo Joined: Aug 6^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: U11 - undocumented - Damage boost upgrade Reply #7 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 9:33pm	Print Post
	Big boost to Barbarians. Big boost to Humans/Half Elves. I've been wondering if I'll end up having to TR my Half Orc Fighter 20 to be able to keep him as my crafter or if there will be some kind of way for me to "move" my crafting XP to a Human Artificer. This at least gives me a little hope that there will be some in-quest benefit for turning my HOrc Fighter 20 into a Human Fighter. Maybe even a Ftr 18/Rogue 2 so I can actually run more quests solo with the UMD for heals and buffs.

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TheSaint Korthos Resident Offline Gobbles! Posts: 60 Joined: Aug 4^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: U11 - undocumented - Damage boost upgrade Reply #8 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 9:50pm	Print Post
	http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=3992714&postcount=6 was noticed on Lamannia first, but apparently this change is on live right now.


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Semper Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 173 Joined: Nov 25^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: U11 - undocumented - Damage boost upgrade Reply #9 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 10:05pm	Print Post
	TheSaint wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 9:50pm: http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=3992714&postcount=6 was noticed on Lamannia first, but apparently this change is on live right now. wonder what else has been brought in under the radar


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Emili Shroud Slacker Offline Posts: 1241 Location: here Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009	Re: U11 - undocumented - Damage boost upgrade Reply #10 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 11:02pm	Print Post
	Arkat wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 7:43pm: Shade posted about it here: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=335097 Yes and are a few threads about it all... Shade is correct about the boost not being equal to haste boosts... but in a way I think is fine that it is not. First it is a prereq to Berzerker and really the only detriment to the PrE... while I personally do not think the the Barb should inherit a �perfect� PrE when so many have some lame requirements.

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Emili Shroud Slacker Offline Posts: 1241 Location: here Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009	Re: U11 - undocumented - Damage boost upgrade Reply #11 - Aug 14^th, 2011 at 11:09pm	Print Post
	Fuck Off wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 9:07pm: Those damage boosts got more appealing to try and fit in. Since they were temporary, I only took them on my human characters that were going to take HV unless the class required I take one of those class boost types. I'll have to consider this. I like the change. Every human I've ever had ... always had those boosts. It is the only way to pull some power out of them. Currently Emi only sports II I suppose am going to be dropping healing amp down to I and drop a tactical enhancement to at least gain III ... I am not sure how am going to pull off IV. Einin has a few tiers also, Meallach has none she's just no room. Misbehaven is slated on block to TR into artificer and am thinking possibly Helf.
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TDarkchylde Dragon Raider Offline It's just a simulation... Posts: 279 Location: KCMO Joined: Nov 25^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: U11 - undocumented - Damage boost upgrade Reply #12 - Aug 15^th, 2011 at 1:28am	Print Post
	It's too bad I don't have room for HV4 on Genozid. Luckily, she has Barb Damage Boost 4, so I get half the goodness anyways. Should make tanking Horoth go a little easier.


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Maxwell Edison Bailiff Offline HADOUKEN! Posts: 3142 Location: Bologna Joined: Jul 13^th, 2011	Re: U11 - undocumented - Damage boost upgrade Reply #13 - Aug 15^th, 2011 at 2:00am	Print Post
	They were running out of things to nerf on melees so they had to add one.

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kitsune_ko Titan Demolisher Offline Halfling Pali-Rogues FTW! Posts: 380 Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010	Re: U11 - undocumented - Damage boost upgrade Reply #14 - Aug 15^th, 2011 at 2:55pm	Print Post
	My understanding is that the damage boosts got changed (good), but running quests/raids on Hard/Elite fortifications on some mobs/bosses went up (Very very bad). Given the choice between a 20%+ damage boost for a 20 sec burst, or losing criticals. I would have to say I would have prefered keeping the criticals.
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Schmoe Epic Poster Offline One world, one soul Posts: 4219 Location: A chair Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010	Re: U11 - undocumented - Damage boost upgrade Reply #15 - Aug 15^th, 2011 at 3:02pm	Print Post
	This only affects Humans and Barbarians, correct? My human Tempest/Kensai/Rogue will be happy, as he already has HV4. My dwarf wizard farts in your general direction.

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popejubal Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline fnord Posts: 6364 Location: Argo Joined: Aug 6^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: U11 - undocumented - Damage boost upgrade Reply #16 - Aug 15^th, 2011 at 3:38pm	Print Post
	Schmoe wrote on Aug 15^th, 2011 at 3:02pm: This only affects Humans and Barbarians, correct? My human Tempest/Kensai/Rogue will be happy, as he already has HV4.� My dwarf wizard farts in your general direction. Humans, Half Elves, Barbarians and Rogues.

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Maxwell Edison Bailiff Offline HADOUKEN! Posts: 3142 Location: Bologna Joined: Jul 13^th, 2011	Re: U11 - undocumented - Damage boost upgrade Reply #17 - Aug 15^th, 2011 at 11:33pm	Print Post
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ddoplayer064 Dragon Raider Offline GFY Posts: 265 Joined: May 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: U11 - undocumented - Damage boost upgrade Reply #18 - Aug 16^th, 2011 at 5:41am	Print Post
	popejubal wrote on Aug 15^th, 2011 at 3:38pm: Humans, Half Elves, Barbarians and Rogues. And FvS


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Enoach Korthos Resident Offline Paladins, Wizards and Clerics Oh my! Posts: 68 Location: California Joined: Dec 31^st, 2010 Gender:	Re: U11 - undocumented - Damage boost upgrade Reply #19 - Aug 17^th, 2011 at 4:07pm	Print Post
	I am curious about this as it seems to indicate that the class boosts and racial boosts are now on seperate timers... A maybe intential or unintential side effect being the ability to use any class and racial boost together. If this is the case than there is potential of using these boosts for other purposes then Damage Boosting.


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rimble Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 16 Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010	Re: U11 - undocumented - Damage boost upgrade Reply #20 - Aug 18^th, 2011 at 10:07am	Print Post
	Enoach wrote on Aug 17^th, 2011 at 4:07pm: I am curious about this as it seems to indicate that the class boosts and racial boosts are now on seperate timers... They have been for a while...Rogue Haste Boost + Human Damage Boost is nice...


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Enoach Korthos Resident Offline Paladins, Wizards and Clerics Oh my! Posts: 68 Location: California Joined: Dec 31^st, 2010 Gender:	Re: U11 - undocumented - Damage boost upgrade Reply #21 - Aug 18^th, 2011 at 12:45pm	Print Post
	rimble wrote on Aug 18^th, 2011 at 10:07am: They have been for a while...Rogue Haste Boost + Human Damage Boost is nice... I'll have to check this out tonight on my Helf/Paladin just to see if I can get both Armor boosts up for 18 seconds of MAX ac.


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Glenalth Puppy Farmer Offline Not banned, just bored Posts: 1602 Location: Albuquerque Joined: Sep 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: U11 - undocumented - Damage boost upgrade Reply #22 - Aug 18^th, 2011 at 3:04pm	Print Post
	Enoach wrote on Aug 18^th, 2011 at 12:45pm: I'll have to check this out tonight on my Helf/Paladin just to see if I can get both Armor boosts up for 18 seconds of MAX ac. You could, but they're both typed as "action boost" so they won't stack.


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Terebinthia Horoluth Raider Offline All your cupcakes are belong to me! :D Posts: 2499 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2011	Re: U11 - undocumented - Damage boost upgrade Reply #23 - Aug 19^th, 2011 at 5:17am	Print Post
	Definitely different timers for Rogue Haste boost and HV damage boost, I have those on my human Exploiter.


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