Cleavon wrote on Sep 23
rd, 2011 at 4:02am:
Hot damn. Sorry I missed this thread. Maybe I should check the vault more often. I mean, I'm literally having to Necro this shit. Damn.
THREAD. COME FORTH AND RISE FOR ANOTHER DAY.
To sum this all up. Fuck that hater. Right in his ass.
Pathfinder is a far richer, and streamlined version of 3.5, it still has power problems, but as in every game....it's up to the DM and the players to have fun with the rules system, not turn it over and shake it until the broken shit falls out.
Wurd.
I see that I have gotten unbusy and returned at the right time.
First of all, Hi Welcome to Godh. Seems you do have an account here after all. As the alternative is to believe there are two fucks that delusional in the world, you will henceforth be known as Godh. However we do not believe in invisible sky faeries, so there shall be no bowing down.
Second, the only thing that Pathfinder succeeds at is Finding the Path to the land of Fail Forever and Go Fuck Itself. Unfortunately after finding it it quickly gets lost and wanders out to bother the rest of us again.
Third... ok, I'll grant you be a full caster playing a specific and narrow style or GTFO is streamlined. I don't think that's what you meant though, as you are under the delusional impression that Pathfailure is good for anything other than putting a warning label on the flower sniffers of the PnP community and giving cheap laughs to the intelligent, worthwhile players. You know, kinda like gimps in DDO. Except with less greasing into lava.
Oakianus wrote on Sep 23
rd, 2011 at 12:02pm:
Wow, I'm really glad that I got to see this mad. I totally missed all of this mad for some reason when it was originally posted, so thanks for bumping, whoever.
Contemptuous dismissal of useless fuckwit =/= anger. Hi Welcome
Cale wrote on Sep 23
rd, 2011 at 2:06pm:
The difference between whether you find 3.5 or Pathfinder more fucked up depends upon what type of gaming group you have and what type of DM you have.
If you were a powergamer with a shitty DM, then Pathfinder is the one that's fucked up.
If you were gaming to have fun instead of gaming to win, or if you have a good DM, then 3.5 is the one that's fucked up.
Squelch wants to blame PF for the fact that his gaming group wants to WIN D&D and the DM of their game doesn't know how to stop them from doing under the different rules.
Basket Weaver - 1 draws near! Command?
>Summon user Phone Lobster
Quote:He is couching his claims in the foundations of backpedaling and vaguery. It's a common maneuvre of Basket Weaver types. If you say nothing concrete you can't be faulted... right?
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The fact of the matter is this guy is a typical Basket Weaver.
He lies and lies and lies. He talks big about how he is special and different and how his group does these better more gentlemanly things. And yet his claims are transparent, when pressured we discover many of his claims are pure bullshit and he admits he doesn't actually do it the way he first said he did.
And many of his other positions are so arrogant it is laughable, "I am in the elite group of gamers who..." and then he is rambling on about something no one cares about because everyone everywhere does that too.
Totally out of context? Yes. Entirely applicable anyways? Also yes.
If you are a gimp, and you play 3.5, you die over and over and over again.
If you are a gimp, and you play PF, you die over and over and over again.
The difference between the two comes from what qualifies you as a gimp. Being a basket weaver certainly does, but so does playing the wrong class or type of character. The list of Godh builds in Pathfailure is a hell of a lot longer. That means there's a whole lot more gimps dying. And interestingly enough, being dead means not playing, and thereby not having fun.
You see, the fact of the matter is the people that claim to like Pathfailure aren't even really playing Pathfailure. They're playing some Calvinballesque bullshit, calling it Pathfailure, and saying that Pathfailure is worth something. The people that are looking at the actual rules of course realize how things work. And upon knowing how they work, they then proceed to play a game that doesn't suck. If they're generous, they warn others not to play it, because it sucks.
PS: "Winning" Pathfailure is incredibly easy. All you have to do is select Cleric, Druid, Sorcerer, or Wizard, stack all the free DC boosting stuff and proceed to automatically defeat any and every combat you encounter. It's so easy in fact that it's entirely brainless. So even if your strawman had any merit, and it does not, it has just been burned down. Or you can just use any of the 3.5 tricks. They're still there, and in many cases are more broken.
Oh, but I'm not done yet. There are two other gems.
1: "Squelch was one of the ones saying that eSoS was not overpowered." Without remembering the context behind that a weapon you grind for that long had damn well better be good, particularly when it's aimed at a style that at the time was markedly inferior. Otherwise, why grind it out? Cale whined like a little bitch because he did not, and still has not grasped that MMOs are a powergamer's paradise which means that here, HE is the one that is the Stop Having Fun Guy. But the fact of the matter is that it's quite fine to have uber gear for an inferior style be worth the trouble.
2: "2nd ed was about the game. 3.x was about the rules. This makes 2nd ed strictly superior in my eyes. "
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
This thread just got incredibly epic.
You have no idea how badly you have just fucked yourself over there Mr. Basket Weaver.