Epoch wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 12:25am:

This.
Well, maybe I wouldn't go so far as to say that 3.x was bullshit, but 2nd ed was most definitely better.  More confusing for a newbie maybe, but definitely better.
The problem with 3.x was that they tried to create rules for every situaiton, which turned it into a lawyering game.  2nd ed didn't have that problem.  There were general rules for things, but much of it was left to the DM to adjudicate, which kept the game from being broken.

Example:
In 2nd ed, in most situations the DM would make a decision and the players would have to go with it, and thus continue playing.
In 3.x the DM would make a decision and the players would open their book(s) to page xXx and argue with that decision based on some other rule or flavor text, which would grind the game to a halt.

2nd ed was about the game.  3.x was about the rules.  This makes 2nd ed strictly superior in my eyes.

That boils down to "The rules were shittier, so the DM got to make up more shit."  Which means the perfect RPG is an empty box.  But since we're playing with someone else's rules, it's good that said rules be consistent. 

You just need a solid rule.  Two minutes is the maximum length of any argument about any rule at all, the DM will judge on the fly, and if you really have a problem with the interpretation of a rule then you can argue about it after the session so it's adjudicated your way in the future. 

It's not much more difficult to try to grind a session to a halt with 2nd ed rules lawyering - hell, it's a bit easier when you consider how often there are contradictory passages in all of the shitty supplements that ruined 2nd ed worse than Unearthed Arcana ruined 1st ed. 

Talking to people here makes me feel so good about the gaming group I grew up with.  So friggin good.

Cleavon wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2011 at 4:02am:


I see that I have gotten unbusy and returned at the right time.

First of all, Hi Welcome to Godh. Seems you do have an account here after all. As the alternative is to believe there are two fucks that delusional in the world, you will henceforth be known as Godh. However we do not believe in invisible sky faeries, so there shall be no bowing down.

Second, the only thing that Pathfinder succeeds at is Finding the Path to the land of Fail Forever and Go Fuck Itself. Unfortunately after finding it it quickly gets lost and wanders out to bother the rest of us again.

Third... ok, I'll grant you be a full caster playing a specific and narrow style or GTFO is streamlined. I don't think that's what you meant though, as you are under the delusional impression that Pathfailure is good for anything other than putting a warning label on the flower sniffers of the PnP community and giving cheap laughs to the intelligent, worthwhile players. You know, kinda like gimps in DDO. Except with less greasing into lava.

Oakianus wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2011 at 12:02pm:


Contemptuous dismissal of useless fuckwit =/= anger. Hi Welcome

Cale wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2011 at 2:06pm:


Basket Weaver - 1 draws near! Command?

>Summon user Phone Lobster

Quote:


Totally out of context? Yes. Entirely applicable anyways? Also yes.

If you are a gimp, and you play 3.5, you die over and over and over again.
If you are a gimp, and you play PF, you die over and over and over again.

The difference between the two comes from what qualifies you as a gimp. Being a basket weaver certainly does, but so does playing the wrong class or type of character. The list of Godh builds in Pathfailure is a hell of a lot longer. That means there's a whole lot more gimps dying. And interestingly enough, being dead means not playing, and thereby not having fun.

You see, the fact of the matter is the people that claim to like Pathfailure aren't even really playing Pathfailure. They're playing some Calvinballesque bullshit, calling it Pathfailure, and saying that Pathfailure is worth something. The people that are looking at the actual rules of course realize how things work. And upon knowing how they work, they then proceed to play a game that doesn't suck. If they're generous, they warn others not to play it, because it sucks.

PS: "Winning" Pathfailure is incredibly easy. All you have to do is select Cleric, Druid, Sorcerer, or Wizard, stack all the free DC boosting stuff and proceed to automatically defeat any and every combat you encounter. It's so easy in fact that it's entirely brainless. So even if your strawman had any merit, and it does not, it has just been burned down. Or you can just use any of the 3.5 tricks. They're still there, and in many cases are more broken.

Oh, but I'm not done yet. There are two other gems.

1: "Squelch was one of the ones saying that eSoS was not overpowered." Without remembering the context behind that a weapon you grind for that long had damn well better be good, particularly when it's aimed at a style that at the time was markedly inferior. Otherwise, why grind it out? Cale whined like a little bitch because he did not, and still has not grasped that MMOs are a powergamer's paradise which means that here, HE is the one that is the Stop Having Fun Guy. But the fact of the matter is that it's quite fine to have uber gear for an inferior style be worth the trouble.

2: "2nd ed was about the game.  3.x was about the rules.  This makes 2nd ed strictly superior in my eyes. "

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

This thread just got incredibly epic.

You have no idea how badly you have just fucked yourself over there Mr. Basket Weaver.

Oakianus wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 4:08pm:


The difference between me and you is that I am a successful troll, and that I only tick off idiots and the people I target as opposed to everyone.

You are but a cheap source of amusement, to be used and discarded with an optional dollar bill and nothing more.

Cale wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 4:43pm:


Nah, that's because you're a fuckwit who will not, cannot, and will never make a single solid point at any time. Since you have no answer to this or any other correct argument, you instead spout your tired basket weaver/flower sniffer drivel everywhere.

Now go back to whining that people are powergaming in a powergamer's game.

Hi Welcome wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 4:02pm:



Welcome back Fucktard.

I have never seen someone say nothing, with so many words.

Love your work!

Sounds like Hi Welcome has a shitty DM that can't make sure his players stay balanced in context with their challenges.

Hi Welcome wrote on Sep 25^th, 2011 at 1:38pm:

Yes, everyone else is raging, but you're totally calm.

Also, I assume this means you don't have any examples of this successful trolling? 

Cale wrote on Sep 25^th, 2011 at 2:00pm:

I'm not sure, but I can definitely tell you that it sounds like Hi Welcome has a shitty DM who is awful at making sure that challenges are balanced with the party members.

Cale wrote on Sep 25^th, 2011 at 2:00pm:



Sorry I'm late, no one forwarded me the Outlook appointment for correcting noob wanna-be-trolls.

Ah yes, the classic claim to be joking when called out. Let me guess, you will next confess that this is also some sort of social experiment?

Here, I'll ask you a question you and I already know the answer to. Do you actually give a shit about tabletop 3.x at all, or is this just your typical Dischordian bullshit getting outplayed nicely? The others at least actually believe the delusional drek they are spewing everywhere. I'm not sure if that's better or worse.