One of the reason I like my FvS is the solo ability of the class. Now, I don't solo epics, but I solo some Amarath quests and normal with my FvS when I am people hating mood. I hope this doesn't jack up my ability to do that. I have 2 FvS and 1 Cleric and I like all three, but the all play way different (evoker, WF Melee FvS, and healbot cleric). I want them to stay different.

someguy wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2011 at 10:54am:


It's not the wings, it's the dr.  I turtle up and DP lailat to death now.  Actually much faster then when I was trying to kite her and the efreeti's through the blade barriers before. 

Wings just let me pull a bigger train of mobs through more blade barriers, but since they're not longer extended don't really even need to do that.

I remember doing epic dq in what I call "chicken with the head cut off" method before people wised up and swapped over to the wall/sparten (whatever your server calls it method).  I'm sure it was a poor method to heal, (i never did), and frankly it wasn't much fun to be in even as a ranger. 

However the, stand around and heal the tank while he establishes aggro and then we swap tanks or just all beat on the back side method, is pretty boring.  Apparently that's basically the only way they want us to beat raids.  Have a designated tank, and everyone else beats on, and fvs/clerics heal.  Now all I need is an auto heal for my fvs and I can sleep through raids like I do on my melee's.

Hell now I wish they were including monks in the change

stainer wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2011 at 4:22pm:


My thoughts are that it won't make any difference in playstyle in the high majority of quests. 

It is typical for me to self provide haste, line select points in a hallway in sins and let the orthons/barbazu soften themselves up making their way to me.  I've never been a fan of kiting strategies anyway...

Having jump and haste makes makes kiting mostly anything pretty easy anyway.  Never had an interest in soloing raids/epics to completion due to the resource cost.  However I've finished off Arri on a couple of occasions I can recall with blade barriers. That was past losing people during lag spikes before nerfdate 5.

Wing use for blade barrier kiting has never been a must have.  This is why the devs fucking around with timers doesn't bother me.  What continues to vex me is twofold:

1. Any of my melee fvs builds raid heal and help dps.  Divine punishment made my preferred playstyle more potent.  Healing TOD on the main tank became more interesting.  Timing when to stack dots on Horoth vs potentially stealing aggro made a boring job (heal the hp bag) more engaging.  A few people with long posting history have taken issue with this on the official forums.  They are receiving a damage buff in update 11 as a response.  It still won't allow them to out dps my skinny little elf fvs over time.  So, they've turned a genuine chance of making melee dps more relevant into shit.

2. Changing core class abilities.  According to what I've been aware of, Fvs gains flight of 60ft a round.  That's pretty double the run speed of the other party members.  DDO chose to implement this with a speed boost type mechanic instead of actual flight.  That's a kick in the shin right there.  Now suddenly, they want to change it again by extending the cooldown and sp cost.  What this seems to suggest is that anything is game to be transmogrified into something that caters to jealous whiny barbarian players.

A better solution would be along the lines of the heavy gravity mechanic.  An FvS is supposed to lose flight when in medium or better encumbrance, as well as when wearing medium armor or better.  Being chained is supposed to take flight away.  A raid boss/high level evil outsider should have this as a tool to stop the 'nuke it from orbit' stratagem.  It's their way of saying get down here and face me. 

Or better yet, our dm had a way of reversing shit on you.  You want to spend your actions trying to nuke that devil?  Okay cool, now watch this shit...  'You find yourself chained and bound to the ground.  The Horrned Devil flaps it wings, and with a resounding roar takes to the air above you.  Roll to save versus Meteor Swarm.  Role reversal is effective.  I wonder why all of these winged bosses never bother to fly, eh?

I keep thinking about how unhappy I am with the changes, and then I realize I'm never playing a favored soul again anyway, so it doesn't matter.

Eladiun wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2011 at 9:49pm:


Something had to be done, that Favored Soul had more kills than Shade.  Something wasn't right he had to sit down and figure out what went wrong, then it hit him.  Those darn Favored Souls are moving faster than a Barbarian with sprint boost.  Nerf them, Nerf them all! 

There are a crap load of nerf DOTs posts going on now as well. 

You know I don't have a problem with Turbine seeing something they think is wrong, and trying to fix it. Even if their fix is stupid. At least they're doing something about what they percieve is a problem. Wish they had a better grasp of the game to properly assest root causes/contributing facors, but eh.

I don't have a problem with them taking something away from a class I paid for. In fact only kinda prefer it if it marks an end to some of the creeping pay to win that's been slowly getting in.

I don't have a problem with changing 'core class abilities'. WTF is that anyway? FVS aren't a core class, and they were in the game before wings so it can't be that crucial to them.

No, what I have a problem with is the whiny wheel getting greased. (maybe that should happen more often. And danced, lots of dancing grease for them) To much 'I'm nothing but a haste/rage bot in epics and they want me to CC.' 'Everyone is TWF with wounding of puncturing.' 'Divines don't need me and want to do more than hjeal/buff me.' To much of that and every 'fix' only reinforces the notion that whiny players should bitch if they're not feeling particularly uber that day.

Couple that with Turbine catering, seemingly, to the top 1-2% of the hardcoriest of power gamers who've played since beta, have all the gear, and twitch with super mario skills who post all fucking day and night on the official forums so dimwitted jagoffs that can't think for themselves can drink a steady diet of the koolaid, and we're left with a staggering amount of cookie cutter builds or left out from the best gear. To much of that and suddenly my level 17 with evasion can't get into a Shroud because he doesn't have 400 hps, people want to see boss beaters for normal VoD, 'selective' seems to be the new 'know it' for anything but normal quests.

It's bullshit and completly avoidable. Solid game knowledge at the design stage, thorough testing during development, and a wider pool of feedback should aliviate most of that.

Oh, and some people knowing that the entire game isn't just for there for their own personal obsession.

JoJI wrote on Aug 24^th, 2011 at 12:18am:


Core class-abilities, not core-class abilities.  Core class vs. non-core class is completely silly in DDO, anyway.

Also, FvS had wings from the start.  They were introduced with F2P, with wings.

Calvet wrote on Aug 24^th, 2011 at 1:17am:



I am just one of those "mere mortals" and FvS is a favored class, but not my favorite. And I am quite upset about this nerf.

Leap of Faith is a perk. If it let me do 1K damage each use by passing close to/though mobs; ala some sort of X-men "Archangel" wing attack skill then I can then honestly see the bitching, and Turbine nerfing it.

But it lets you move fast. Thats it, no leet game breaking damage or benefits; you just move fast.

Then Turbine has the balls to tell me my "perk" is to overpowered and desperately needs a nerf to save the game from distruction.

Its a old system is the problem; and crappy boss AI that cannot be improved from beyond its current abilities to cope with the new things they keep introducing.

DDO is 5+ years old now, I know they are supposedly working on a new system, but fuck me, quit gimping shit we like just to try to make up for your multiple shortcomings in coding and design.

...and fix the damn DoTs

kitsune_ko wrote on Aug 24^th, 2011 at 2:35am:


Wings are incredibly powerful.  It isn't just about moving fast.  On a caster FvS, it's basically equivalent to infinite AC vs. melee attacks for basically no gear and hardly any SP investment. 

You're just getting worked up over nothing.  If ur gonna get mad every time a game company nerfs something in an MMO that you play, might I suggest that you're leading yourself for an early heart attack.  Nerfs happens. 

And honestly, if you didn't see this nerf coming, you and I haven't been playing the same FvS class.

If I wanted to gimp my sorc and be air savant, I might care.

If I could get my FVS past level 15, I might care.