the new idea isn't so horrible considering some of the shitty alternatives some people have mentioned.


3 sec cooldown 5 charges, recharge 1 per 15 sec.


I primarily use it when I'm going long distances (easy example is getting to DQ1)

Will it fix what they think is broken?

AtomicMew wrote on Aug 24^th, 2011 at 3:34am:


See, this is the part I hate.  Its total bullshit.  SOS - if they nerf it tomorrow you can say: SOS is
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or if they nerf: Khopesh is

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or hell, even pots: Yugo Pots/Silver Flame Pots/ HP/SP POTS!!!11one! are
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I have multiple FvS.  I like spamming the wings to move faster.  I play healer based mostly though, and don't really solo stuff where a wing/bb/dot would be a style to kill be a boss; I mostly run in circles like a proverbial headless chicken.  But to have someone say "X is overpowered, you had to see it coming" is being lame and asinine.  Some things in a game are more powerful than others - saying a fighter doesn't get his all his extra feats because it can cause builds to be OP is in the same league as saying wings are OP - they are part of the class & how it was designed and it is lame that they are changing it.

JakLee wrote on Aug 24^th, 2011 at 12:59pm:


No, because "overpowered" is not the same as "more powerful."  SOS is powerful, but it isn't overshadowed by a crafted alignment burst metal of greater bane.  There is nothing that compares to wings.  It isn't just broken in 1-2 quests. 

And lastly, this is all pretty irrelevant to the point I was making, but feel free to continue to ignore it:

You.  Are getting mad.  At a nerf. 

Just think about that for a second. 

If they nerfed SOS and you got mad:
If they nerfed Khopesh and you got mad:
Or hell fi they nerfed Silver Flame pots and you got mad:

The fact is, you're still getting mad at a nerf.  Even if you can't predict individual nerfs, you sure as hell should know that nerfs are going to happen to your shit.  That's just the nature of MMOs and if you can't handle it and are going to get so butthurt and angry every time it happens, I honestly question why you're playing an MMO.  Masochism?

Oakianus wrote on Aug 24^th, 2011 at 12:21pm:


That is not a reasonable compromise; because they are still fucking with something very popular, and that in no way needs fixing in the first place.

I am seeing a lot of "Gimp them! They can solo Epics with LoF and BB and DoT". Well, excuse me, but cannot PM WF do the exact same damn thing, but with about 1/100 of the effort and resources of a FvS trying to BB a epic boss to death?

Its a nerf because the Dev team is butthuting that Shades DoT/Divine party just assraped their new content.

Reading between the lines, I think the Dev's major plan for the raid was to have Melees/Tanks hot-swapping aggro between themselves to offset the stacking HP debuff/damage.

Which I am all for; melees really do need some Turbine loving. The idea of making a special place for several of them to be almost manditory in the new raid was really a good idea.

But unfortunately Shades group just went in there and DoTed the fucker to death, no melees needed, no working out by trial-and-error the special little tricks to make the raid run smoothly, they just kited and Doted it, and had a wildly successful run doing it that way.

This nerf is nothing more then a knee-jerk reaction from the Dev team after personally spectating Shade and his group rubbing their face in this epic failure in design on their part.

Its a punishment for FvS players for showing the inadaquacy of the new raid design, and thats all there is to it.

If it was a monk-heavy party; it would be the monks on the block. if it was PM WF, it would be them.

It is nerfing as a way for the Dev team to get revenge at the players who dared to expose the weakness in their design. its petty; its weak and its totally unnecessary.

*EDITE*

Haha Stainer; I just read your post, you know if you get a "Read by a Dev" on that one; your going to have to move to another country and live the rest of your life under an alias, right? 

The people coming after you will make the hunt for Bin Laden look like somone searching for their lost dog in a park by comparison

stainer wrote on Aug 24^th, 2011 at 2:36pm:

STFU. 

AtomicMew wrote on Aug 24^th, 2011 at 2:33pm:



No - see I am not mad - I honestly roll with the punches.
However, I find it stupid people say a couple of things....
1. HOW COULD U NOT C DIS COMING OMG U HAD 2 NO!
bullshit - that is what it is, pure and total bullshit.  More than that, it is UNFAIR bullshit.  Not the nerf - the fact that someone should EXPECT a nerf that is not announced.  If you exploit something that is not intended -expect the nerfbat.  If you build something off a standard feature then you do have a right to be ticked after 2 years of it working this way.

And while you point of MMO changing things (including adding new features and nefs) it is unreasonable and unfair to assume that people who use something that is changing to not question (and maybe even be frustrated with) the change.  Ask the SWG guys  - sometimes these changes can even "break" a game.  Since I do enjoy DDO, I would not like to see the game broken & others feel the same way.  Use the nerf bat sparingly.

AtomicMew wrote on Aug 24^th, 2011 at 5:48pm:

I will say it slower this time
I am not mad (I typed it slower this time if you can't tell)
However, bullshit still smells like bullshit, regardless of what misdirection into whether someone is mad or not you spin.

JakLee wrote on Aug 24^th, 2011 at 6:22pm:


When you're whining about how bullshit and UNFAIR [sic] something is, it's hard to take your claim to not be mad seriously. 

Besides which, you stated this:

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In other words, you think it's reasonable that other people are getting mad (e.g., kitsune) but not you.  You're too cool for that.  Maybe if you scream BULLSHIT louder, people will believe you. 

Really short and simple for you this time Mew.

When changing something well established in-game and that players love "Fuck you, thats why" is not acceptable to me as valid reason from the Dev team.

THEY have yet to in any way explain why a nerf is necessary at all.

So this means clerics are better now right?

Soul wrote on Aug 24^th, 2011 at 10:33pm:

Right.