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Re: New Release Notes V3
Reply #25 - Aug 25th, 2011 at 2:31pm
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Cor wrote on Aug 25th, 2011 at 2:08pm:
Isn't that a nerf and a buff?  Longer duration = more likely to stack up.

FvS are blatantly OP currently (and yes, I play one), so I can't complain about a modest reduction to this ability.


I just read "double nerf" as referring to the wing clipping and the Condemnation change together.
  

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Re: New Release Notes V3
Reply #26 - Aug 25th, 2011 at 2:51pm
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Oakianus wrote on Aug 25th, 2011 at 2:13pm:
ETA: Oh, and also:

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Reply #27 - Aug 25th, 2011 at 2:51pm
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These are all solid changes, IMO. 

Can someone tell me what this is about:
"All spells cast from two-handed staves now use the wielder's caster level as well as calculate their DC's using the wielder's casting ability score, if they are better than the staff's default values."
  
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Re: New Release Notes V3
Reply #28 - Aug 25th, 2011 at 2:59pm
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AtomicMew wrote on Aug 25th, 2011 at 2:51pm:
These are all solid changes, IMO. 

Can someone tell me what this is about:
"All spells cast from two-handed staves now use the wielder's caster level as well as calculate their DC's using the wielder's casting ability score, if they are better than the staff's default values."


Artificers who are slinging offensive spells from wands, etc. get a DC that is the same as what they would have gotten if they had cast the spell themselves instead of the crappy wand DC.

Aside from Finger of Death scrolls, I really can't see any offensive spells worth casting on a capped Artificer.  Since you can't get any level 8 or 9 spells on scroll/wand/whatever form, what offensive spells am I missing?

DPS offensive spells aren't going to be all that effective since you can't metamagic the scrolls/wands/etc and you can't machinegun them the way you can do with self-cast offensive spells since all offensive cast items share the same 6 second cooldown.  Also, any DC boosting feats other than Past Life: Wizard won't apply since you're just getting your ability score and caster level, not anything else.

This ability really seems like it would suck.  What am I missing?
  

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Re: New Release Notes V3
Reply #29 - Aug 25th, 2011 at 2:59pm
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popejubal wrote on Aug 25th, 2011 at 2:31pm:
I just read "double nerf" as referring to the wing clipping and the Condemnation change together.


Ah, that makes sense.

Eh, the nerf to Leap isn't a big deal.  It should be pretty minor in practice.  Only thing I'd like to see is not having to use charges in public zones.  And still think bosses should have better means to deal with kiters in general.

AtomicMew wrote on Aug 25th, 2011 at 2:51pm:
Can someone tell me what this is about:
"All spells cast from two-handed staves now use the wielder's caster level as well as calculate their DC's using the wielder's casting ability score, if they are better than the staff's default values."


Clickies on quarterstaves will now use your caster level, and casting ability score, if they're better than the built in caster level (listed on the item) and casting ability score (supposed to be 10 + spell level, but I think it's actually just 10).  This could increase the spell's DC, potency (i.e., damage dice), duration, and spell penetration.
  
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Reply #30 - Aug 25th, 2011 at 3:00pm
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Boo on the Artie's Iron Defender not breaking stuff as much. I like that, and was hoping that hireling would start doing it too.
  
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Reply #31 - Aug 25th, 2011 at 3:20pm
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Well that was one of the two thing that annoyed me about not being VIP out of the way. Now I just need 1st day content access Cheesy
  
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Reply #32 - Aug 25th, 2011 at 3:32pm
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popejubal wrote on Aug 25th, 2011 at 2:59pm:
Aside from Finger of Death scrolls, I really can't see any offensive spells worth casting on a capped Artificer.

The capstone doesn't even apply to scrolls anymore.
That degrades the potential offensive use to PK wands and maybe Ice Storm wands.
In terms of buffs and utility, it's fairly useful. Shield/ nightshield wands, randomly generated haste/rage clickies, DP clickies, blur wands, knock wands (probably only to the point of getting normal von 5 and shroud locks),
  
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Re: New Release Notes V3
Reply #33 - Aug 25th, 2011 at 3:34pm
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apep wrote on Aug 25th, 2011 at 3:32pm:
The capstone doesn't even apply to scrolls anymore.
That degrades the potential offensive use to PK wands and maybe Ice Storm wands.
In terms of buffs and utility, it's fairly useful. Shield/ nightshield wands, randomly generated haste/rage clickies, DP clickies, blur wands, knock wands (probably only to the point of getting normal von 5 and shroud locks),



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Re: New Release Notes V3
Reply #34 - Aug 25th, 2011 at 3:42pm
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apep wrote on Aug 25th, 2011 at 3:32pm:
The capstone doesn't even apply to scrolls anymore.
That degrades the potential offensive use to PK wands and maybe Ice Storm wands.
In terms of buffs and utility, it's fairly useful. Shield/ nightshield wands, randomly generated haste/rage clickies, DP clickies, blur wands, knock wands (probably only to the point of getting normal von 5 and shroud locks),


I'm still curious about the effects upon epic eternal wands, but haven't been able to pull the parts to finish any.

The only scrolls I was really using at cap were Expeditious Retreat, Greater Heroism, Heal, and Reconstruct so this isn't too bad for me.

The Goggles of Time Sensing, Mask of Comedy, and Flesh Render Visor at lvl 20 have been nice for buffs.
  
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Reply #35 - Aug 25th, 2011 at 3:50pm
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I wonder if cookies fall under the artificer capstone.
  
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Reply #36 - Aug 25th, 2011 at 3:55pm
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Shade's nerd-rage is too good here
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=337493

After whining for 10+ pages about wings, they fix something that was BUGGED and he goes off.  At the end, he suggests having the PL actually buffed, so long as you're a barb.  Talk about a purist.
  
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Reply #37 - Aug 25th, 2011 at 4:47pm
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IronRion wrote on Aug 25th, 2011 at 3:55pm:
Shade's nerd-rage is too good here
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=337493

After whining for 10+ pages about wings, they fix something that was BUGGED and he goes off.  At the end, he suggests having the PL actually buffed, so long as you're a barb.  Talk about a purist.


It's ok, I'm trying to steer Eladrin toward ignoring Shade and it's working.
  
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Reply #38 - Aug 25th, 2011 at 5:01pm
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IronRion wrote on Aug 25th, 2011 at 3:55pm:
Shade's nerd-rage is too good here
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=337493

After whining for 10+ pages about wings, they fix something that was BUGGED and he goes off.  At the end, he suggests having the PL actually buffed, so long as you're a barb.  Talk about a purist.

Oh, that's classic right there.  Hilarious, indeed.
  

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Re: New Release Notes V3
Reply #39 - Aug 25th, 2011 at 5:50pm
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Asketes wrote on Aug 25th, 2011 at 11:45am:
That was my suggestion Smiley


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Re: New Release Notes V3
Reply #40 - Aug 25th, 2011 at 5:56pm
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rest wrote on Aug 25th, 2011 at 12:14pm:
Actually, it doesn't affect me at all so I guess I don't really hate your face. Being VIP I can still unlock elite from the get go, and this doesn't change that. Maybe I'm just bitter because "VIP" doesn't feel very VIP without perks that are unique. It won't make me quit or stop my VIP. Just kinda sucks is all.

If they hadn't made the bravery bonus so fucking retarded, they wouldn't have had to mess with the unlock mechanic. Well whatevs.

IT will make me stop mine. What's the fucking point now.
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Reply #41 - Aug 25th, 2011 at 5:59pm
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Razcar wrote on Aug 25th, 2011 at 5:56pm:
I will make me stop mine. What's the fucking point now.


I stay VIP out of sheer laziness. I don't want to have to stake out sales and plan to purchase packs at this time or that time. Fuck it. Take my 10 bucks and let me play everything. It's easier that way.

Kinda like how gyms make the most money off the people with active memberships who never bother to go. They always say "I'm totally gonna go to the gym and start working out!" and then they go... once. And remember that they hate the gym so they stop going. But they don't cancel their membership, they just let it sit dormant. And thus the gym gets their money without having to deal with them being in the gym actually using the equipment.

Or something like that. Fuck I don't know. It's late on a Thursday afternoon, and I just wanna go home!
  
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Reply #42 - Aug 25th, 2011 at 6:06pm
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rest wrote on Aug 25th, 2011 at 5:59pm:
I stay VIP out of sheer laziness. I don't want to have to stake out sales and plan to purchase packs at this time or that time. Fuck it. Take my 10 bucks and let me play everything. It's easier that way.

Kinda like how gyms make the most money off the people with active memberships who never bother to go. They always say "I'm totally gonna go to the gym and start working out!" and then they go... once. And remember that they hate the gym so they stop going. But they don't cancel their membership, they just let it sit dormant. And thus the gym gets their money without having to deal with them being in the gym actually using the equipment.

Or something like that. Fuck I don't know. It's late on a Thursday afternoon, and I just wanna go home!

Yeah I guess...

Fucking Madfloyd messing with stuff he's not qualified to mess around with, unless he is the new Marketing director they are hiring which I find very hard to believe. Stay with your job and stay the hell away from fucking up the payment plans.
  
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Reply #43 - Aug 25th, 2011 at 6:14pm
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IronRion wrote on Aug 25th, 2011 at 3:55pm:
Shade's nerd-rage is too good here
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=337493

After whining for 10+ pages about wings, they fix something that was BUGGED and he goes off.  At the end, he suggests having the PL actually buffed, so long as you're a barb.  Talk about a purist.


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lol thats horrible. Nerf one class os another feels better?

I play both favored souls and bbns, I don't feel better.

Infact I feel like my favored soul got MUCH stronger this update, and my bbn got nerfed yet again like he has on dozens of other updates.

The fact they greatly upgraded the duration on favored soul comdemnation is much bigger upgrade then the minor changes to wings imo.


I'm still trying to understand how shield of condemnation's being dropped to 20% to 10% per tier is a buff.  Especially since the only thing a longer duration helps in is "boss fights" which they obviously thing FVS should be standing back and healing during.
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Reply #44 - Aug 25th, 2011 at 6:42pm
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He also posted this:
http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=4022356&postcount=89
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I don't play a single class, nor do I only care about a single class.


Which is pretty fucking funny.
  

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Reply #45 - Aug 25th, 2011 at 7:11pm
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I hate Shade... But. He seems to be acting pretty reasonably to me. Pretty good suggestions too imo
  
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Reply #46 - Aug 25th, 2011 at 8:14pm
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I like that TRs get to unlock higher difficulties. Extra sweet as I cas considering a few TRs very soon; that will be a nice bonus.

Something unexpected, useful and well thought out.

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Reply #47 - Aug 25th, 2011 at 8:23pm
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Soul wrote on Aug 25th, 2011 at 7:11pm:
I hate Shade... But. He seems to be acting pretty reasonably to me. Pretty good suggestions too imo


If he sounded reasonable then you skipped over most of the thread.
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Reply #48 - Aug 25th, 2011 at 8:41pm
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Amorosy wrote on Aug 25th, 2011 at 8:23pm:
If he sounded reasonable then you skipped over most of the thread.


Oh, yeah. I do that. Only post that's ever really important in any thread is the OP and things the devs might have responded to. :/ Could give a fuck less about everything else.
  
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Reply #49 - Aug 25th, 2011 at 11:49pm
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Warcrye is exceptionally sad right now.


Good thing I'm not playing, or I might be having some nerdrage right now Tongue
  
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