Epoch wrote on Aug 30^th, 2011 at 4:50pm:


Exceptions need to be specified.  The lack of a "time exception" means that as soon as the game exists in a state where VIPs are intentionally denied their promised benefits, then Turbine failed to act in good faith to keep their promise.  That's where false advertising comes in.

What they then promise to do in the future to remedy the situation is besides the point.  If they delay a remedy, artificially, to encourage sales of Artificer, then they are continuing to not act in good faith.

Maxwell Edison wrote on Aug 30^th, 2011 at 4:52pm:


If you want to argue that way, then they're even more wrong.

In that case, there's no exception covering Artificer, so they are included in the "all classes" that VIPs get for free.  In a strict interpretation, making them favor-earned, and not free-to-VIP at all, would be a violation.

However, false advertising is about what a "reasonable person" thinks.  And I'm content to concede that a "reasonable person" should assume that new classes might fit into the existing exception.

And besides, http://www.ddo.com/vip clearly spells out that VIPs get all classes, except favor-earned classes, as an open ended category.

Arkat wrote on Aug 30^th, 2011 at 4:56pm:


What did FvS violate?  Drow existed before FvS as a favor-unlocked character option that subscribers didn't automatically get.

FvS came out with F2P.  Before F2P, subscribers got everything for free, or for favor, since the store didn't exist.  FvS, being earnable via favor upon release, was entirely in line with this.


But on the whole, yes, I know the practical realities if/when this goes live.  I'm hoping it doesn't come to that, and until then, I see no harm in advocating against it, and advocating that if they do go ahead with it, to be upfront with it and not continue to advertise benefits they plan to not provide.

However, I wasn't so sure about the refunds.  Has Turbine generally given refunds for cancelled subscriptions?  The EULA is quite clear that they don't have to.  So far, they haven't even acknowledged this as a modification to VIP benefits, so I'm not sure if the "credit card" analogy will apply.

Cor wrote on Aug 30^th, 2011 at 5:18pm:

Except they're not a class that's in the game.  Jesus Christ. 

Cor wrote on Aug 30^th, 2011 at 5:39pm:


I'm starting to think that the only reason you don't want it to go through like this is that you won't be able to explain the extra TP purchase that shows up on your mother's credit card when U11 drops.

Cor wrote on Aug 30^th, 2011 at 5:39pm:

So long as they modify the terms before Update 11 to note that Artificer will be unlockable via favor by VIP after Update 12, will you be happy and stfu?

tgun wrote on Aug 30^th, 2011 at 3:05pm:

LOL!

Unfortunately, ridiculously true.

Arkat wrote on Aug 30^th, 2011 at 7:13pm:


Makes the game to easy.  Why bring a pug when you can solo it faster, this is a message from flower sniffers mind you.  I wouldn't know because people who die are lucky if I notice.

Arkat wrote on Aug 30^th, 2011 at 7:38pm:



Stop grping, it so much faster.  You can 1 shot mobs all the way up to lvl 10.  Heavy DPS can do still do it in Gh

Strakeln wrote on Aug 30^th, 2011 at 9:05pm:


The funny part is, mobs in hard with a party of 6 are harder to kill then mobs on elite since elite doesn't change with dungeon scale.  Brilliant plan imo.

Cor and Epoch...go to timeout until you can both end this droll repetitive argument and figure out how to get back to being entertaining. As it is, it's like watching two retards argue over gray being black or white and each sticking with their choice being right. You're both right. You're also both wrong.

Epoch wrote on Aug 30^th, 2011 at 9:45pm:


There is some scaling on elite. At least in the newer quests.

Glenalth wrote on Aug 31^st, 2011 at 2:50am:


Yes.

Elite new stuff is actually quite difficult now.

Epoch wrote on Aug 30^th, 2011 at 9:45pm:


Elite definitely scales in old quests and new, been tested multiple times. Easy, although horribly boring was to test this is to go in elite Eye of the Titan solo and in a 6 man group and compare the difference in damage of the main guy's meteor swarms