Oakianus wrote on Aug 30^th, 2011 at 2:55pm:


3k is quite a lot.  I'd be surprised if even a majority had the favor for FvS.  Such a huge amount of favor is only possible if you're VIP, or a heavily vested Premium player.

And do you really think that earning the House C favor will be so difficult once U12 comes along?

But if you think that's unacceptable, the easy alternative is to make it free to VIPs, like Half-orc and Half-elf.

Look, I didn't force Turbine to promise what they did.  They set up VIP.  They sold it.  They knew what they were working with.  That doesn't mean we should just roll over and let them fail to deliver on what they sold.

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This is simply bullshit.  If they actually wanted a favor unlock in this update, they could have.  They chose not to, so they could exploit a flimsy loophole.

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As long as the same idiotic argument is presented ("it's a favor unlock!"), I'll continue to respond with the obvious fact that "no, in U11, it is not".

Cor wrote on Aug 30^th, 2011 at 3:19pm:


Oh SHIT!  Deceptive advertising!  Fuck, damn it!  Turbine must be the only business in the world to do this!  WTF!?!?!

Really, that comment right there just caused you to self chown.  Nice playing though.  GL in future arguments.


Cor wrote on Aug 30^th, 2011 at 3:19pm:


Reading comprehension FTW!  I said playing, not paying.

Epoch wrote on Aug 30^th, 2011 at 3:32pm:


Are you really this stupid?

Yes, it seems you are.

I'm not saying Turbine is the most super evilest company in the world.  I'm saying that what they're doing here is bad.  Something to be discouraged, and opposed.

Honestly, you have the mind of a child.

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Then you make no sense.  I gave you the benefit of the doubt here.  Sorry about that.

Where have I complained about playing the game?  My concerns have only been about paying for the game, and not getting what I paid for.  If I stop playing, then obviously I'm getting even less of what I paid for.


Maxwell Edison wrote on Aug 30^th, 2011 at 3:34pm:


What fine print?  Please point it out.  Because in all the advertised benefits of VIP, I have not seen any that contradicts my beliefs.

Cor wrote on Aug 30^th, 2011 at 3:45pm:

http://www.ddo.com/en/news/1278-vip-999per-month-special
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Guess what class is going to be added to that once they're actually in the fucking game.  Now show me where you were promised all races and classes would be available to VIPs from day fucking one of a release.

cant wait for the drama when gnomes and druids get released the same way.

VIPs are not promised Artificers, nor early, immediate, or free access to any classes that get added to the game.  The only new content promised were the adventure packs which you'll continue to get a week earlier than non-VIPs without expenditure beyond subscription.  Again, show me where you were promised access to the class upon their initial release in the game because of your subscription.  What you inferred from the advertising has little to no bearing.

popejubal wrote on Aug 30^th, 2011 at 4:24pm:



Actually, I completely disagree with #2.

Maxwell Edison wrote on Aug 30^th, 2011 at 4:18pm:


Seriously, it's not that complicated.

VIPs are promised all Classes, except those earnable via favor-rewards.  All classes.  All means all.  Everything.  All includes "core classes", and "premium classes", and "new classes".  That's what "all" means.  Every class.

The only exception is classes earnable in-game through favor-rewards.  Artificer will not be one of those classes in U11.  Therefore, the exception does not apply.  And since it is still in the set of "all classes", it is promised to be accessible.

Your "initial release" exception is simply one of your own invention.  It does not exist.

Eladiun wrote on Aug 30^th, 2011 at 4:24pm:

QFT

When you show me where the restrictions say classes only unlocked by favor in a later update are excluded, Then you will have a point.  Right now though, I have a bit of advice for you.  Use those tears as lubrication, rub one off, and prevent yourself from getting a stroke over the artificer class.

Epoch wrote on Aug 30^th, 2011 at 4:36pm:


Does the stated exception say that classes that will be unlockable at some point in the future are excluded?  No.  Then it doesn't say that.  It says what it says, not what you're imagining it says.

It says that classes that are unlockable are excluded.  When U11 arrives, Artificer won't be unlockable, therefore, it shouldn't be excluded from the "all classes" that VIPs get.

Eladiun wrote on Aug 30^th, 2011 at 4:38pm:


Then until that time, they are intentionally violating their promises to VIPs.  You see nothing wrong with this?

Cor wrote on Aug 30^th, 2011 at 4:43pm:


I never received such a promise.  I pay 9 dollars a month with no guarantee written or provided that I get anything beyond all the adventure packs and my 500TP.  Even that could change at their discretion in which case I can either accept it or vote my displeasure by cancelling my subscription.  You wanna put your money where your mouth is; cancel and go elsewhere otherwise you are just fucking blowing smoke rings.

In fact, I fully support them releasing the class early as a purchase only option.  I think it is a brilliant way to make some extra money from those too impatient to wait and with money to blow.  Anything that keeps the money flowing and allows me to continue paying 9 bucks to play the game. 

This change impacts me zero.  I don't need to run out and roll something on day one...I can wait patiently for U12 or pay.  It's very easy.

Cor, simply put, yes Turbine changed the terms of VIP on you after you bought your subscription. They did that to me too.

Credit card companies do it ALL the time. If you disagree with the new terms, you ALWAYS have the right to close your account and not use their credit card anymore.

Likewise, I'm willing to bet if you decide to cancel your VIP subscription and call Turbine Cust Svc., they will cancel your account and refund any remaining amount that you paid ahead of time to your credit card.

I should say, however, that if you were so upset with the changes in the VIP terms, you should have canceled your account when Favored Soul came out.

I realize the Artificer is a slightly different situation but all they did was change a different term this time. It doesn't change the fact you still have the possibility of closing your VIP account and getting a refund for any pre-paid balance.