Funny thing, I never used his shit because I thought it sucked.  In closing I would like to say, who fucking cares?

It's all back because Turbine changed their advertising, much as I said they would.  The overreaction of yanking everything down instead of giving Turbine a day to get their advertising updated is pretty damned silly. 

iso Cor's reaction.

popejubal wrote on Sep 13^th, 2011 at 4:12pm:



I think it hilarious that his great moral stand last a day and all Turbine had to do was add an * to their marketing materials.  I'll never support this company again until tomorrow when they make a minor edit to their ToS that changes absolutely nothing about how VIP's are treated or how Artificers are being released.

The tools are back up since Turbine's moving in the right direction and actually advertising what they're delivering now.

And yes, it's refreshing to see someone willing to do something not because it's the easy thing to do but because they think it's the right thing to do.  Don't care whether he's right, wrong, a fraudulent pussy dickhole, or Gandhi, it's nice to see.

Darkrok wrote on Sep 13^th, 2011 at 4:35pm:

I must have missed this part of things completely, and as a result was completely wrong in this whole thread. 

Oops.   

Darkrok wrote on Sep 13^th, 2011 at 4:35pm:


As I get to know him, I think it is natural. It is why I like him.

Oakianus wrote on Sep 13^th, 2011 at 4:37pm:


Yeah, as one of the whining entitled dickholes I've followed this pretty closely. 

Basically, he starts off just pissed off about the entire thing and was going to leave the tools but stop updating them and quit playing the game altogether.

Girlfriend convinces him to keep playing what he already owned.

Then new ad comes out with the part that was pissing everyone off and he took the tools down.

New ad gets changed and he put the tools back up.

Oakianus wrote on Sep 13^th, 2011 at 4:28pm:


I don't think that Turbine is filthy.  I think that they probably have even something in their dress code that requires them to bathe.  A unfortunate number of companies have found a need to include that policy nowadays.

Oakianus wrote on Sep 13^th, 2011 at 4:56pm:


That's why the outcry wasn't that large either.  It was a minor philosophical quibble but some people have higher standards than others in the companies they choose to patronize.  The fact that I read their ads to mean one thing when in fact they intended another bothers me enough to make me question continued business with that company.

I don't expect everyone to hold companies to that standard.  It's honestly a pain in the ass sometimes and something that I often don't realize until after the fact when someone else points it out.  But that's the standard I have for companies.

Now as far as the new ads go...that was another story altogether and even Turbine realized that quickly.

Oakianus wrote on Sep 13^th, 2011 at 3:58pm:


Well, since you asked, I'm very glad they fixed this ad.  But I don't think it was unrealistic to expect them to get it right in the first place (the ad in question went up after the update).

However, they need to realize that what they're advertising is what the game will be over the course of the subscription term they are selling.  Simply advertising the game as it exists is not enough.

At this point, all I'm asking is that if they want to keep new races/classes in reserve for a period of time of their choosing, specify that, clearly, in all VIP-related advertising.  I'd probably buy VIP again, even under those terms.  But I want to know what I'm buying.  Access to future content, races, and classes (with the specific exception of those unlockable by favor) was the core reason I went VIP in the first place.

Also: I think you're confusing my passion for arguing what I think is a correct point, perhaps to the point of excess in refusing to let disagreeing points go unanswered (which tends to mean repeating myself if I've seen that disagreeing point before, and still think it's invalid for reasons I've previously given), with passionate rage at Turbine.  I'm not that angry with them.  It's largely a matter of principle.  A little more clarity in what, exactly, VIP buys, and I'd be right back as a happy customer, if not as a VIP, as a paying Premium.