I wish it was possible to watch a raid like you can be a spectator in Unreal Tournament or w/e.  I can imagine it would be great fun to watch. 

Stoogie wrote on Sep 13^th, 2011 at 10:17pm:

That already exists!  That's why I liked playing my cleric!

yea well see for sure.  Honestly if J$ ran the raid on Epic and beat it, and still thought it was too easy I wouldn't have argued with him.  Its the fact that all these fucks are complaining without even running the raid.  To top it off these guys that are suppose to be the best of the best and complained about the raids being too easy got their asses owned in Elite.  Didn't even make it to Epic.  Then they say its because they had to pug? I'm sorry but fuck that.

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So what is the point then that J$ is trying to make if you know so much?  Because to me and several others its pretty crystal clear... Its the same point they have been making for years...

Don't be all    I'd truly like to understand

Gunga wrote on Sep 13^th, 2011 at 11:58pm:


Many of us in Revs are ex-legion with those world firsts.

Jenovaa_Project wrote on Sep 13^th, 2011 at 11:18pm:


Yes I saw Norgs post (Don't be shy just say it lol).

At the end of the day, there's always gonna be people like Jonny on the Vault and Madmatt on the other forums who can't bring themselves to say "Well done" and accept that there are in fact players out there with more ability, organisation and determination to get things done.

Jenovaa_Project wrote on Sep 13^th, 2011 at 11:45pm:



Hmmm... ok... I'll try... and the funny thing is that *you* yourselves actually agree with this point if you think about it.

Trying to put it into different terms/spaces to take it out of DDO-scape to make the point.

I used to do caving (and would like to again when I get my fitness back). And one of the things that I liked about caving is that it took a lot of effort to get to see some of the things that I got to see. You had to have gear, a minimum of technique, a LOT of fitness, a certain mindset and tenacity, teamwork, knowledge... and you got to see beautiful amazing spaces that someone strolling along with a camera would not get to see. We would map caves in 3D. When droughts came we would have access to systems that hadn't been accessed for years to map even further. There was more to discover. On another day you could push harder. Someone could take a bigger risk and get further. People with amazing minds/fittness/technique/gear could push caves harder than I ever could. But some cave systems finally got completely mapped and connected and they were finished off all mapped up. Job over well done. But at least there is another cave system somewhere in the world to check up.

Or it's like the space analogy - we will never map to the end of space. Are there aliens? Is there another planet we can live on?

This DDO world we have here is finite. It's not like RL space. But for people who have played it for years, who have mapped out all the systems, they want it to be BIGGER. When you beat it in *one day* you kind of drive home that it's not. It's a finite mappable system. And we have to wait at the mercy of devs to provide another space and system.

This is not to say that you shouldn't try and beat it in one day. You absolutely should! LOL And I will cheer you all the way! It's just a sad fact that when you do you remind us of one of the limits in our DDO universe. Limits and challenges that you yourselves play with all the time when you push yourselves to complete faster with more DA or whatever other insane challenges you want to take on to have fun with. (And I'm smiling to think of some of the insane things you guys do lol)

It's still friggin hard. Every win in and of itself is going to be a MASSIVE achivement by whoever does it. The system is still being mapped. But... we want a bit more is all. And in a way it's nothing to do with Revenants, aLicans, Legion, etc.

Hope you guys don't take this the wrong way. As you know I cheer for you guys all the time - as I do also many other end game players. I want DDO to be *bigger* for the end end game player as much as I want it to be more easily accessible for the newbie and the shy.

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Could well be. Anything marked with "xtethx" I would be like "WOAH I"M SCARED" lol...

JC would make cupcake content. I would play JC content for sure

I have another point to add which more addresses what I think J$ and madmatt tried to say but I'm not sure how to phrase it.

There is height as well as expanse issue here. Post above is the expanse issue. It's the height issue that J$ and madmatt are niggling at in their respective ways.

It's like Everest.

Atm they may not give you credit for being very good mountain climbers for climbing Everest. And you may well take satisfaction that they run out of oxygen or whatever it takes. But eventually everyone is going to have their oxygen bottles and know the rope techniques or whatever to get there.

In this DDO universe Everest was there for 1 day and you climbed it. In the real world Everest was looked on for millenia as a home of the Gods. Climbing Everest would make it seem smaller some how? And just not as hard?

I am having problems phrasing this. I hope I have not take J$ or madmatt or whoever the wrong way nor offended you who have climbed these heights.


Pony content? Not so interested. Tere can create content for me then.

Jen if they admit the raid is hard, then they have to admit you are awesome players. And really awesome players.

They'll do that over their dead bodies (lol. It's a *game*)

Therefore they can not admit it is hard.

Simple logic and everyone here knows it. I wouldn't worry about it as nothing really needs to be said - just done

My other points still stand.

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AHAHAHAHAHAHH!!!!!

sure Meli.

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They don't have to admit anything about any players being awesome. 

All they have to do is sac up and give the raids a go on Epic.  There really isn't much more we can say about this.  Either they beat it or they don't its really simple.