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Terebinthia Horoluth Raider Offline All your cupcakes are belong to me! :D Posts: 2499 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2011	Abbot: a couple of questions Sep 12^th, 2011 at 4:28am	Print Post
	Since I know there's a few Abbot experts in here. Attempting Abbot last night, I was the last one standing on my DI cleric. I had an ice wand equipped in my main hand and hotbarred ready and my potency item in my right. All was OK, until the last inferno, when I ran for the spot, clicked to cast the ice island, and .... nothing. No wand, and nothing in my hotbar. I only had the one, and DI had run out all unawares so I plummeted ignominiously to an acidic death. Bad Abbot. My question is, where the hell did my wand go? I didn't die, so it wasn't that I dropped it when I died. I didn't attempt to use the thing before this point, but it was definitely there. I was encased at one point, would that have also caused it to drop? My second question, given the trickiness of herding raid groups onto these pesky islands, is there anyone out there still healing through Inferno since the changes? We had 3 clerics in that run and I am wondering if that would be a better strategy still...


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Jenovaa_Project Dragon Raider Offline Posts: 244 Joined: Jan 31^st, 2011 Gender:	Re: Abbot: a couple of questions Reply #1 - Sep 12^th, 2011 at 4:39am	Print Post
	As far as what happened with the wand I'm not sure, but we all know the Abbot can be buggy so anything could have happened I suppose. As far as healing through infernos, due to the abbots much higher HP, unless the party wants to be drinking pots healing through infernos isn't such a great idea these days. Melees however can easily take the inferno if they are drinking curse pots and fire protection pots, followed by an occasional Cure serious or Silver flame pot. Personally I think the best choice is just get someone experienced with placing Ice platforms. If for whatever reason it doesn't work, everyone can just start spamming curse and protection pots. Casters can spam mass prots and healers can heal. The other reason I suggest Ice wands, is you should have 2 wands at least accessible so if one persons platform fails the other persons should be up. If they both fail, then it is what is it However if there is a bug that is causing this to not work then it probably should be fixed.

	Jen - Revenants: Khyber
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Glenalth Puppy Farmer Offline Not banned, just bored Posts: 1602 Location: Albuquerque Joined: Sep 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Abbot: a couple of questions Reply #2 - Sep 12^th, 2011 at 4:42am	Print Post
	Still healing through on Argo. If people are drinking pots, they're not mentioning it.


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Oakianus Troleplayer Offline I Really Do Love Drama! Posts: 5466 Joined: May 20^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Abbot: a couple of questions Reply #3 - Sep 12^th, 2011 at 4:48am	Print Post
	Were you throwing 'roids at any point? Not that it's terribly likely, but having something that goes in your weapon slot disappear during Abbot obviously makes me think 'roids.


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Anon Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 49 Joined: Jul 26^th, 2011	Re: Abbot: a couple of questions Reply #4 - Sep 12^th, 2011 at 4:57am	Print Post
	I've never heard of this happenening before to be honest. Unless, as oak said, the roids have been known to bug out. No just when switching, for me, but also with switching multiple items before the item I have out dissapears. Personally, I reject the platform method vehemently.. There will always be those few innatentive dumb fucks that dont listen and fuck something up which could cause a healer to panic at their death. Nearly every death in DDO is due to a healer panicking.


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Jenovaa_Project Dragon Raider Offline Posts: 244 Joined: Jan 31^st, 2011 Gender:	Re: Abbot: a couple of questions Reply #5 - Sep 12^th, 2011 at 5:04am	Print Post
	Glenalth wrote on Sep 12^th, 2011 at 4:42am: Still healing through on Argo. If people are drinking pots, they're not mentioning it. If I'm leading and the abbot is close to death then I'll call heal through or if he's dropping extra fast but if there's an inferno early on I'd rather spend the 10 seconds to use the wands and save my sp pool.� How many infernos would you say you guys on Argo typically heal through in your average Abbot?
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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Abbot: a couple of questions Reply #6 - Sep 12^th, 2011 at 5:18am	Print Post
	Okay, Jen, I must disagree with you on this. The absolute best way to run abbot involves no stupid ice platforms where the fucks jump in the water instead, and no curse pots. How the Ancients have been running abbot for quite awhile is this, on infernos everyone gathers, all 12 of you. Casters spam break enchant, mass pro if they have it. Divines spam heals, maybe break enchant as well depending on how many divines and casters you have. Inferno doesn't do shit to your SP that way and the only SP you use is ~5 break enchants, ~5 mass cures, and maybe a couple mass pros though they are really unneeded. Abbot, made easy.

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Abbot: a couple of questions Reply #7 - Sep 12^th, 2011 at 5:19am	Print Post
	Jenovaa_Project wrote on Sep 12^th, 2011 at 5:04am: If I'm leading and the abbot is close to death then I'll call heal through or if he's dropping extra fast but if there's an inferno early on I'd rather spend the 10 seconds to use the wands and save my sp pool.� How many infernos would you say you guys on Argo typically heal through in your average Abbot? Three at most, he doesn't last much longer then that. The recent bad one I have seen is five, but with the method I said earlier, it was a cakewalk - no deaths.

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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whothefuckami Stormreaver Piker Offline Oppan Gangnam Style Posts: 599 Joined: Oct 6^th, 2010	Re: Abbot: a couple of questions Reply #8 - Sep 12^th, 2011 at 5:26am	Print Post
	Just wait till the Abbot calls Inferno, then put on your unsuppressed PLIS. After Inferno, take it off fast. Solved.

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Jenovaa_Project Dragon Raider Offline Posts: 244 Joined: Jan 31^st, 2011 Gender:	Re: Abbot: a couple of questions Reply #9 - Sep 12^th, 2011 at 5:53am	Print Post
	Epoch wrote on Sep 12^th, 2011 at 5:19am: Three at most, he doesn't last much longer then that.� The recent bad one I have seen is five, but with the method I said earlier, it was a cakewalk - no deaths. Ya I know healing through infernos is easy I was more interested in the no drinking pots through 3 of them haha. I get it if everyone has ion stones and what not but those infernos suck up a good amount of sp each tick. Either way a completion is a completion regardless of how you do it.

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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Abbot: a couple of questions Reply #10 - Sep 12^th, 2011 at 5:55am	Print Post
	Jenovaa_Project wrote on Sep 12^th, 2011 at 5:53am: Ya I know healing through infernos is easy I was more interested in the no drinking pots through 3 of them haha.� I get it if everyone has ion stones and what not but those infernos suck up a good amount of sp each tick.� Either way a completion is a completion regardless of how you do it.� I don't own a Ioun stone on any toon. Like I said, just have the casters in the group sit on the abbot with the melee and clerics and cast break enchantment. Curses removed and everyone lives happily ever after - and you get to keep your sp!

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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Jenovaa_Project Dragon Raider Offline Posts: 244 Joined: Jan 31^st, 2011 Gender:	Re: Abbot: a couple of questions Reply #11 - Sep 12^th, 2011 at 5:56am	Print Post
	I must have missed that post epoch with the strategy. If break enchantment fixes the sp drain then yea that sounds awesome. I never knew that. . Thanks for the tip

	Jen - Revenants: Khyber
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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Abbot: a couple of questions Reply #12 - Sep 12^th, 2011 at 6:15am	Print Post
	Jenovaa_Project wrote on Sep 12^th, 2011 at 5:56am: I must have missed that post epoch with the strategy.� If break enchantment fixes the sp drain then yea that sounds awesome.� I never knew that.� . Thanks for the tip Post 6. Try it, it is fucking amazeballs. Best strat I have used so far, melees keep beating him down instead of chugging pots means more dps, all the time. Casters can usually fit in a disentigrate and healers can usually keep their divine punishment up as well this way without the freakout of who was able to remove curses and who wasn't. Less time rezzing is more time DPS.

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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Terebinthia Horoluth Raider Offline All your cupcakes are belong to me! :D Posts: 2499 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2011	Re: Abbot: a couple of questions Reply #13 - Sep 12^th, 2011 at 6:19am	Print Post
	Oakianus wrote on Sep 12^th, 2011 at 4:48am: Were you throwing 'roids at any point?� Not that it's terribly likely, but having something that goes in your weapon slot disappear during Abbot obviously makes me think 'roids.� � Nope, I was on DI in ice duty. Definitely wasn't that. It's interesting that healing through is still working. Definitely worth considering - I ended up soloing him down from about 30% to about 15% and a little bit of me wanted to stay put and see what the impact was rather than run for the ice. I'd have faceplanted spectacularly, because I had no fire absorbtion gear and my hotbar set up wouldn't have been right, but with a bit of planning and some fuck you Abbot gear (Firestorm greaves, 15% Fire ab TOD ring and Cloak of Ice) it sounds feasible. Have you noticed any changes to Inferno since the upgrade, or is it just his main hit points that have gone up?


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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Abbot: a couple of questions Reply #14 - Sep 12^th, 2011 at 6:57am	Print Post
	You can solo abbot if you know him inside and out. Step 1, remove FF. Step 2, Know how to time his encasments. Step 3, Make sure you are falling in mid-air when he hits you with encasment. Bam, you are falling to fast and it misses you. Step 4, ??? Step 5, Profit. Also, why do people ask if healing through is still working, when wasn't it? Just remember, break enchantment, same process, more hp, so it takes like a total 8~15 seconds longer.

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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Terebinthia Horoluth Raider Offline All your cupcakes are belong to me! :D Posts: 2499 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2011	Re: Abbot: a couple of questions Reply #15 - Sep 12^th, 2011 at 7:35am	Print Post
	Most of the times I've done Abbot on Khyber it's been taken as a given that you can't heal through Inferno, so this is very interesting.


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NotMyDDOName Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 120 Joined: Jul 18^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Abbot: a couple of questions Reply #16 - Sep 12^th, 2011 at 7:56am	Print Post
	Did you check your inventory? Maybe you just dragged it off your hotbar when using it. I have to agree on healing through inferno. More fails happen when people try doing the ice islands then when healing through inferno.


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Madcow430 Shroud Slacker Offline I have Mad Cow Disease Posts: 1207 Location: Arizona Joined: Jul 4^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Abbot: a couple of questions Reply #17 - Sep 12^th, 2011 at 8:00am	Print Post
	Khyber is a bit... interesting right now in terms of Abbot. Most of the runs are being done via guild and channel. And that's where the most experienced players are. For the rest of us, we get to try and pug it. My experience to date has been one training run lfm in which the party lead ragequit because people wouldn't listen. And one completion last week where I learned the ice bridge will disappear from under your feet while taking cover from inferno. A lot of times I enjoy the responses here from those in the know. It's pretty helpful personally. Now if I can only get past the ding blah blah blah declines you from joining their group things may get better for me. To date, Abbott is the one raid I know very little about and have a hell of a time getting into on any of my toons.


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Glenalth Puppy Farmer Offline Not banned, just bored Posts: 1602 Location: Albuquerque Joined: Sep 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Abbot: a couple of questions Reply #18 - Sep 12^th, 2011 at 11:06am	Print Post
	Epoch wrote on Sep 12^th, 2011 at 6:57am: You can solo abbot if you know him inside and out.� Step 1, remove FF. Step 2, Know how to time his encasments. Step 3, Make sure you are falling in mid-air when he hits you with encasment.� Bam, you are falling to fast and it misses you.� Step 4, ??? Step 5, Profit. Also, why do people ask if healing through is still working, when wasn't it?� Just remember, break enchantment, same process, more hp, so it takes like a total 8~15 seconds longer. Sprint Boost + circling while melee worked pretty well too, until I ran out of sprint boosts.


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Belwaar Shroud Slacker Offline Posts: 1017 Location: With Hordo's Mom Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Abbot: a couple of questions Reply #19 - Sep 12^th, 2011 at 1:03pm	Print Post
	Did an Abbot a week ago and we got hit with 7 Infernos. We completed but it got annoying. We always heal through. I'd much rather chug a pot than take the chance that the ice platform isn't placed properly or bugs out and everyone dies on it.

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Hordo High Rabbi Offline Le Douchebag Posts: 2405 Location: Cordova, Tennessee Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Abbot: a couple of questions Reply #20 - Sep 12^th, 2011 at 1:30pm	Print Post
	Done two Abbots on my cleric in the past week and a half and we did it both ways: Islands and Healing through. Both were first-time successes with only two or three Infernos and I used, maybe, 5 pots between them.

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JakLee Bailiff Offline Monotremes and Money Posts: 1533 Location: Spokane Joined: Aug 4^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Abbot: a couple of questions Reply #21 - Sep 12^th, 2011 at 1:53pm	Print Post
	Madcow430 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2011 at 8:00am: Khyber is a bit... interesting right now in terms of Abbot.� Most of the runs are being done via guild and channel.� And that's where the most experienced players are.� For the rest of us, we get to try and pug it. My experience to date has been one training run lfm in which the party lead ragequit because people wouldn't listen.� And one completion last week where I learned the ice bridge will disappear from under your feet while taking cover from inferno. A lot of times I enjoy the responses here from those in the know.� It's pretty helpful personally.� Now if I can only get past the ding blah blah blah declines you from joining their group things may get better for me.� To date, Abbott is the one raid I know very little about and have a hell of a time getting into on any of my toons. I haven't really had any interest in doing Abbot for quite a time. I ran a few when I was in Founders back in the day, but never completed (and honestly only really tried 2-3 times total). To date, this is the only raid I have not completed. I have at some point and time gotten everything else at elite/epic. But honestly I don't see the obsession with Abbot, the few times I ran it the quest itself just didn't seem that fun....

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Eladiun Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Two Time Loser Posts: 8398 Location: Rhode Island, USA Joined: Jun 17^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Abbot: a couple of questions Reply #22 - Sep 12^th, 2011 at 1:59pm	Print Post
	JakLee wrote on Sep 12^th, 2011 at 1:53pm: I haven't really had any interest in doing Abbot for quite a time.� I ran a few when I was in Founders back in the day, but never completed (and honestly only really tried 2-3 times total).� To date, this is the only raid I have not completed.� I have at some point and time gotten everything else at elite/epic.� But honestly I don't see the obsession with Abbot, the few times I ran it the quest itself just didn't seem that fun.... I'm with you on this 100%.� I run it and when I'm done I ask myself why did I run it again.� I spend 80% of the time tabbed out and posting here.�It's boring... Got a completion last night to open up 400 SF favor, first run was a flukey fail...second a flukey win, 0 infernos. Might as well just step in and roll a d100 under 70 you fail.
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Belwaar Shroud Slacker Offline Posts: 1017 Location: With Hordo's Mom Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Abbot: a couple of questions Reply #23 - Sep 12^th, 2011 at 1:59pm	Print Post
	JakLee wrote on Sep 12^th, 2011 at 1:53pm: I haven't really had any interest in doing Abbot for quite a time.� I ran a few when I was in Founders back in the day, but never completed (and honestly only really tried 2-3 times total).� To date, this is the only raid I have not completed.� I have at some point and time gotten everything else at elite/epic.� But honestly I don't see the obsession with Abbot, the few times I ran it the quest itself just didn't seem that fun.... The loot is great, and it's one of two raids (that I can think of) where if you screw up one part, you have to start all over again. I'm looking at you Titan! (I <3 Titan btw)

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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Abbot: a couple of questions Reply #24 - Sep 13^th, 2011 at 5:43am	Print Post
	Glenalth wrote on Sep 12^th, 2011 at 11:06am: Sprint Boost + circling while melee worked pretty well too, until I ran out of sprint boosts. Lol, yeah sprint boost works well. On my FVS I would just fly away when I saw him casting encase. 15 second timer should be plenty to continue to do so.

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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