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Sounds like people were really stupid back then, if they really didn't have DR breakers.  You do remember that a simple Transmuting weapon used to break DR on all those enemies, right?

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Are you seriously suggesting that a +1 Transmuting weapon was as rare or difficult to acquire back then as a "HSEOB of awesomeness" are now?  Because that, alone, is better than any other non-transmuting weapon available back then, vs Elite Harry.  Unless the droprate of Transmuting was dramatically lower than Metalline is now (I doubt it), anyone without a Transmuting weapon back then would've been stupid, lazy, or both.

Your posts reek of "uphill both ways" bullshit.

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Thinking about my then guilds' first completion (second on Ghallanda) on my cleric still causes me to pucker with the pot and scroll expenditure.

Uhgungawa wrote on Sep 26^th, 2011 at 1:37pm:


I'm mostly talking about Harry, for whom Transmuting certainly existed.  DR breakers aren't as big a deal for DQ (hers only goes up to 15 on elite, vs. 35 for Harry).  And Abbot's DR is trivial to bypass.

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It's a +2 enchantment.  +1 Transmuting shouldn't have been any more rare than a +1 Holy.  Was there some kind of special rarity modifier in place?

Cor - stfu and learn from your betters. See below. People farmed for transmuters back in the day like people farm for scales and epics now. Further, they didn't always exist.

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1) most of the DDO populace do not use the forums
2) of those who do, most do not use it for trading
3) the number of hits that search generates is a drop of water in the bucket of players who were "in need" of a transmuter.
4) you're a fucktard nooblet who thinks he knows better than the people who were actually there. Are you going to lecture us now on how easy VoN is and that anyone who fails sucks at this game and at life?

I'll indulge you one last time. I remember very clearly on several occasions wanting a transmuter for my newly flagged lowby and not finding a single transmuter, good or bad, of any variety on the AH. I never once saw 0 WoPs on the AH. Take that as you will.

That doesn't follow from what I said. You said people without boss beaters shouldn't do raids. I replied that we have been doing so for years and still getting completions. I still remember 5+ round Shrouds 

You may always have DR breakers, but 75+% of the populace did not for years. I'd wager at least 50 still don't.

Yeah, Abbot wasn't mentioned as an especially hard DR to break, rather just another example of the situation. And yes, 15DR definitely hurt a lot more in the past than it does nowadays.

Epoch wrote on Sep 27^th, 2011 at 5:24am:

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I just mentioned this because it pains me to see people enter abbot with slashing weapons.  It isn't like it is new people, but experienced people who should know better. 

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Then they should get them instead of skating by on the coattails of others.  Guilds help with this.  I have given out and have received DR breakers.  I wouldn't with a pug, but anything for a guildy.

The longest shroud I have done is 4 rounds, including when it first came out.  Well, that is a lie now that I think about.  Back when monks were first released, chakra and devorien were the only good monks on argo and we bumped into each other a couple times while leveling(seen in pugs anyways, as cakes monk was utter shit- if you are reading this cake, yeah, you wasted your time leveling that fucking worthless piece of shit up).  Devorien was mine, our builds were very similar, as was inspire (think that was his forum name - him and chakra both posted a build on monks).  Devorien and a rogue two manned part 4 from 70% (maybe 60% and my mind is trying to boast a bit more then it should) and it took us 3~5 (extra) rounds as the group wiped except us two on round 1.  We were awesome, this is when meteor swarm was fully evadeable.  He was repeater build and I forgot his name, lost the pic when my HD crashed awhile back as well.  If he is here, maybe he will hop in on this and share a pic.


You don't need arti spells to get DR breakers.  You said mostly, which means not entirely.  Which means, you should of got them.  I never said beating the raids without them was hard, it was just easier, and better on your guildies if you did have them.  Everyone should have dr beaters, no exception.  Newb in the guild that doesn't have one? Give him one, even two if he dual wields.  Unless he is a rogue, then fuck him.  That is my policy.

Anyways, point being, I don't what server you play on, I am sure you have said before, but dr breakers are everywhere.  All I ever did was loot run the shit out of stuff and I always kept boss beaters when I found them, Like I said, I am hoarder.  I also had several old unholy weapons, sad they were lost in my ragequit .

That being said, back in the day, breaking the 15 dr was more important then anything else since we didn't have lit 2's.  Shame on you for not doing so, SHAME.

Eladiun wrote on Sep 27^th, 2011 at 9:09am:



Wouldn't know, I was one of those min 2 guys.  Mainly because of all them were made back when min 2 was transmuting, and fucking badass.  Then they got nerfed, bugged, buffed, nerfed, devs went in a rage because they had no idea what the fuck they were doing, then they finally settled on it being metalline.  Something like that anyways. Then I forsake all my melee besides my monks and my rangers.  Life was good.  Fuck lit 2, fuck it until I can get it on my monk.  Fifteen more runs, MWAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAA...



Would be shorter if that fucking retarded construction guy working on the apartment building didn't cut the fucking DSL line from my internet provider.  Black cord on light blue siding, IT ISNT HARD TO SEE FUCKTARD!

EDIT: Heh, I was also referring to before shroud.  Shroud ruined endgame goals for everyone, it completely changed the game after we figured out what made what.

Min2 is still badass. My maul breaks 90+% of DR in the game

Gasoline wrote on Sep 27^th, 2011 at 12:27pm:


They feel incomplete.  They are going to need some developer tweeking and it'll take time for people to learn the class and play to the strengths.

JC wrote on Sep 27^th, 2011 at 12:31pm:


Thanks to Cannith crafting, I think that applies to all melees.  A +4 Holy Silver of EOB (and other variants) is so easy to make.