Since the other forums are down, and there no other resource I can think of, I'm willing to accept your opinions as advice.

Anything wrong with the following Clonk build?

17 Cle/3Mnk, taking TWF and PA as Monk extra feats.

Str 16 <- level ups here
Dex 15
Con 14
Wis 15
Int 8
Cha 8.

Feats:
TWF
ITWF
GTWF
Toughness
Power Attack
IC: Blunt
Empower Healing (Radiant Servant PrE)
Maximize
Quicken
Extend

Actually, a friend asked for a Cleric Healer/Melee build, and the best thing I could think of was a clonk. I pulled this from my head, without much experience in playing a cleric or monk, actually.

IC is the weakest feat, I admit that.
It looks like Human, but HElf is tasty, too.

Praising Evasion won't work for me. My Characters on Orien are 20 Rogue, 18/2 Pally/Monk, 16/2/2 Bard/Fgt/Rog, 18/2 Bard/Rog, 13 Ranger and 6 Fgt (who's going to be a Blitz when he's big).

But the friend is actually from Ghallanda, where I have literally no characters. I'll keep your advice in mind, and link this thread to him.

Kimberlite wrote on Oct 13^th, 2011 at 7:09pm:


I started DDO with a Paladin 18/Rogue 2 and followed that up with a Wizard 18/Rogue 2.  Both outstanding characters to start with because they're both extremely forgiving right up to level 20, but I'm glad that I've made all of my characters since then without Evasion.  Not because Evasion isn't awesome, but just because it made me finally get some play skills that I didn't have before.

I paid a lot more attention to enemy casters once I no longer had Evasion + Paladin saves or Insightful Reflexes. 

Kimberlite wrote on Oct 13^th, 2011 at 7:09pm:


That was the first character I enjoyed enough to get to level 20. 

I modded an impaqt Fvs18/monk2 build for my first fvs life... lots of fun - elf dual scimmy and such - no bursts but have more than enough sp to spam through if needed

Gunga wrote on Oct 13^th, 2011 at 9:37pm:



Why? What's wrong with 'clonk'?



Re evasion: I love my clonk. And up until recently I would go on and on about her having evasion which one very good player would ridicule me for pointing out that without a decent reflex save evasion is useless and laughed hard when I died in a trap proving his point

http://ddowiki.com/page/Evasion ; :"When you make a successful Reflex save against an effect that normally does half damage when saved against, you suffer no damage instead."

ie first you have to *have* a reflex save.

He pointed out that it's hard to get reflex saves on my human clonk. Her last two lives were helf (although with the useless sorc dili which I did for fun rather than common sense). The suggestion is to helf her again with the pally dili

As has been mentioned there is the temptation to do all things not as good as they could be while neglecting the main strengths of the class (healing sp pools). So I tend to just do 2/18 and run always in water stance to make up for the cleric levels and capstone I am missing as well as add saves and basically run her as a divine caster in self sufficient parties or save sp for healing otherwise. Any mob mosquito biting in the end game she does is to try to add an effect like improv destruct or improv shattermantle to make it easier for fellow party members to do their stuff. I can still stunning fist things in epic occasionally. DOT on bosses as usual.

I have half started a 3/17 for the little monk buffs as there is a good synergy there. Halfling too. Again the question, half assed melee or half assed healer/divine? I think I'm going to just end up wis all the way though and she'll just end up as a healer buffer for help in parties.

I'm sure people happily solo on clonks but I think for me I'd probably beef up a horc with fighter and barb levels instead if I meleed a cleric.

That said, partying, clonks are super fun and I would highly recommend them

Kimberlite wrote on Oct 13^th, 2011 at 7:09pm:


Actually, I have a level 5 pure bard on Wayfinder, which I plan to cap.

I have one . . . it's kinda shitty.  I mean really all it can do is heal things and avoid a bunch of damage from evasion.   It's offensive casting sucks donkey-dick and has pretty shitty DPS (does decent against undead with bursting ToD rings and Epic Mabar Wraps).  it non-epics he used to vorpal shit but now that don't work.

A friend of mine has one with stunning fist, it works pretty well.  I'd do it but I've got some general apathy right now with the toon regarding WTF I want to do with him.

His suckage lies in end-game, levels 1-19 were a blast.  Hell of a lot of fun to play and very forgiving to a new player.  I just went with an 18/2 and used the same splits as valiance.  I think the best race . . . is half-orc as you can put level-ups in WIS and still get a decent STR.

kickass wrote on Oct 14^th, 2011 at 5:17pm:

On my clonks, I mainline heroism pots, and spend a lot of SP on divine favor / divine power. I also wear cannith crafted +2 attack gear as soon as I can (blindness ward of battle skill or something), and the Sora Kell set for another +2. Keeping to-hit as high as possible on a clonk is mandatory, agreed.

It all depends on what you want to do with your clonk.  My clonk is built completely differently for maximum Wisdom and spell pen (as a first lifer).  However, another player I know has pretty much dumped wisdom and is a decent soloist clonk.  It is up to you how you want to play your cleric.

I said he is decent because he is not full assed.  This guy, Kalener of Cannith, has geared and built in such a confounding way that I don't know how it works, but it does... for him.  Not something I would play, but my playstyle is radically different.

Bigjunk wrote on Oct 19^th, 2011 at 9:32am:


Sage nod.
My cleric is just an alt to me.  My friends know that if they want a heal bot, they can just buy one in the market.  If they want enemies to implode, they ask me to log my clonk.