Epoch wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 9:13pm:


Just not getting you Devo.

Since when do properly built rogues flower-sniff???

I don't ever seem to recall doing so, nor ever having you decline me.

*confused*

Bandyman1 wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 12:29am:


In red is something I know of from only a few people.  You being one of them of course, how could anyone deny bandy though? Doing so would probably cause california to sink into the ocean.


I also like to jump to the extreme to go rogue lover fishing - i caught me a big one!

Epoch wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 4:36am:

Point out one thing that Wizards can do better than any other class other than casting spells. 

They do traps better than any other class, too, what with the whole Improved Evasion thing.  And given that there are a few places you absolutely need that shit done, like Tide Turns, it's still pretty important.  Not to mention all of the places that it comes in handy on the way to end game. 

Let me be more clear.

You could of said  - Rogues get a 75% enhancement with scrolls and wands increasing their utility to actual raid saving levels instead of a microscopic bit of usefulness.

You could of said how they can keep most bosses hamstrung. 

You could of gone with their ability to be a perfect kiter in a pug as they are fully self sufficient when things go bad - and we all know that all a rogue needs to do to get aggro is remove their threat reduction - maybe throw some threat gain on if you are slacking in some other gear choices.

You could of gone with one of those, or even several other things.

YOU CHOSE TRAPS.

This discussion isn't even worth my time anymore.  You disappoint me sir.

Oakianus wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 5:01am:


Anyone who waits for a rogue to sneak into a room to assassinate a trash mob is an idiot.  It is trash, go in there and cleanup. 
I took sneak attack out because obviously they are the only class who can achieve a great sneak attack score - obviously.

I added that list of reasons because you traps like a fucking idiot.  Noone cares about traps.  Traps can be bypassed.  They are no big deal.  You don't imp evasion for traps, imp evasion just says you can be lazy about it.  Imp evasion also doesn't give any benefit over evasion for traps.  If you succeed the roll you continue disarming.  If you fail the roll you stop.  Not that it matters, traps are not important.

You claim you are right but you don't even know your class.  I gave you the chance to defend it and all you used was traps - and you would of used sneak attack.  Maybe I should of taken out traps as well so you would of been dumbfounded. 

Also, getting the highest score is unimportant since trap disarm dcs are negligible.  You can take a level of rogue or artificer and achieve a high enough disarm score for it not to matter. 

Learn your class kiddo.  You had the chance to defend them and you would of gone with the stupidest two things to go with - traps and sneak attack.  Is that all your rogue uses? If so, you might wanna hit up bandy for some lessons.  Rogues can be so much more.  Your obvious pathetic attempt at defending them is a big reason why I hate rogues.  "I can do traps and sneak attack!" Yeah, well, that is only the tip of the iceberg.  Utility is rogues best friend.  Surely you are not the naive of a class you so strongly defend?

Wow, you defend them and you know nothing about them :/

Thanks for proving you are just full of hot air. 

FYI I wasn't wrong.  Classes should be utilized to their potential.  People who do not do such are halfassing the game.  This is why I dislike most bards, this is why I despise rogues, many wizards, and "healer specced divines".

I am actually pretty neutral about fvs who dump wisdom - in order to make them great at endgame with dcs they NEED to tr.  Not everyone wants to do that grind so str/con with a sub in CHA is effective and does not require so much time investment.

Incorrect bullshit, all depends on how you view it.  I base my opinions on what is viewed not in what can be.  Most rogues are horrible outside of sneak attacks and traps.  Shit, some are horrible with traps.  They can't be horrible with sneak attacks as it forced upon them.  The fact that you obviously could not see past that shows maybe you should keep your mouth shut and learn a thing or two first.

Epoch wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 5:49am:

I know it's hard for you to follow, but you made an incorrect statement, I pointed out that the statement was incorrect, and then you pretty much proved me right better than I could. 

There are a lot of shitty rogues, and it's very easy to fuck up a rogue.  But the class itself has a lot of potential and can be played very well, as you made clear.  I obviously didn't even have to know a lot about the class to smell the bullshit, so thanks for playing. 

Please do enjoy the taste of my balls, btw.  I can even shave them if you're worried about gagging on the hair.

Epoch wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 6:17am:


Epoch wrote on Oct 28^th, 2011 at 3:13am:



Epoch wrote on Oct 28^th, 2011 at 5:09am:


Epoch wrote on Nov 1^st, 2011 at 5:28am:


Epoch wrote on Nov 1^st, 2011 at 9:29am:


Yes, I clearly have horrible reading comprehension to somehow think that you were speaking of the class in general rather than how rogues are played.  I mean clearly, if I could look between the lines of "No amount of skill or player design will make a rogue good," I could see that you were just talking about the way that certain people play their rogues. 

If you backpedal any faster, you'll be too far away to put my balls in your mouth, sir.  Stand steadfast and open wide, it'll be over quicker. 

ETA: And white knighting?  I don't think that phrase means what you think it means. 

JDollar wrote on Nov 1^st, 2011 at 4:52pm:


Maybe you are wiser then you seem :/

Grace wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 7:31am:


Well, str 16, dex 16, cha 10, con 15, halfling as it is higher sneak attack dps.   If I was to make one for actual rogueing purposes.  I would go assassin as it is the highest dps, and get several pieces of threat reduction, and several pieces of threat gain.  Don't forget DP clickies!  Also max umd and conc, 1 point in open locks for giggles, max search and disable, jump, and 1 point in tumble.  Skill points after that dont matter.  Don't need spot as I know where the traps are - as well as the mobs in almost every quest.

Hmm, unless dmg boost works with sneak attack... I would change the race - but I am 95% positive it doesn't.

That being said, the rogue CLASS is great for support in dps and whatever else.  Ninnies ONTH tend to be sucky.

I wouldn't mind grouping with you grace.  I adhere to the star unless, like I said, the star is leading me to certain doom.  Then I resort to my typical style.  You on the other hand, probably wouldn't enjoy a run under my leadership when I am in the mood for balls to the wall rampaging.  Although, if you want to watch me die - join me in my lvling for tala.  Zombie palemaster for a fleshie is screwing with me.  I keep hitting 4 to heal myself... and no recon  :/  Years of honed reflex.... makes me sad.

Epoch wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 6:45am:



It was much too obvious.

Nothingtoseehere wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 9:23am:


Get DP clickies, fuck rage (fighter would be better imo, or rogue capstone - adds to the sneak attack bonus, unless it is bugged with items).