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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Weapon rebalancing? Epic / Greensteel / Cannith Reply #25 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 9:38am	Print Post
	Oakianus wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 12:11am: http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=4172570&postcount=60 Gold.� GOLD, I TELLS YA!� He's right though. Do melees in any form need a nerf right now?
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qwerty1234 Ex Member	Re: Weapon rebalancing? Epic / Greensteel / Cannith Reply #26 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 9:49am	Print Post
	I love how he slipped "cunting" in there. I might have to try that sometime.


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Auran Stormreaver Piker Offline www.drama.yourserver .ok? Posts: 668 Joined: Jan 26^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Weapon rebalancing? Epic / Greensteel / Cannith Reply #27 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 10:09am	Print Post
	Quote: I love how he slipped "cunting" in there. I might have to try that sometime. If the rest of his posts in that thread are anything to go by, he appears to be raging so hard that spelling and grammar have gone out the window. (Or perhaps they aren't getting the full double effect from deadly weapons, I can't keep up) We're cunting on him though.

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qwerty1234 Ex Member	Re: Weapon rebalancing? Epic / Greensteel / Cannith Reply #28 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 10:14am	Print Post
	Exactly! As long as your post is full of rage and spelling errors, you can use any words you like.


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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Weapon rebalancing? Epic / Greensteel / Cannith Reply #29 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 10:33am	Print Post
	We should ALL change our sigs to quote Axer saying "Cunting." I'd do it if I weren't on double-secret probation


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scraap Ex Member	Re: Weapon rebalancing? Epic / Greensteel / Cannith Reply #30 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 11:25am	Print Post
	Bigjunk wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 9:38am: He's right though.� Do melees in any form need a nerf right now? I dunno. I kinda get the impression the all over the map stats is what keeps getting things cock-blocked in the first place. Both offensive and defensive.


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Darkrok Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1066 Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Weapon rebalancing? Epic / Greensteel / Cannith Reply #31 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 11:28am	Print Post
	Quote: I dunno. I kinda get the impression the all over the map stats is what keeps getting things cock-blocked in the first place. Both offensive and defensive. Yeah, the simpler you make the stat progression the easier it would be to make changes to the system. Otherwise you get a lot of unforeseen consequences to changes.

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Blank_Zero Ex Member	Re: Weapon rebalancing? Epic / Greensteel / Cannith Reply #32 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 2:04pm	Print Post
	Bigjunk wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 10:33am: We should ALL change our sigs to quote Axer saying "Cunting."� I'd do it if I weren't on double-secret probation On it. I don't go on there much anyhow. Also, wtf? Axer doesn't think any 1 handers can compete with the eSoS?


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Blank_Zero Ex Member	Re: Weapon rebalancing? Epic / Greensteel / Cannith Reply #33 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 2:09pm	Print Post
	Bigjunk wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 10:33am: We should ALL change our sigs to quote Axer saying "Cunting."� I'd do it if I weren't on double-secret probation On it. I don't go on there much anyhow. Edit: Done. Also, wtf? Axer doesn't think any 1 handers can compete with the eSoS


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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Weapon rebalancing? Epic / Greensteel / Cannith Reply #34 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 3:38pm	Print Post
	Quote: On it. I don't go on there much anyhow. Edit: Done. Also, wtf? Axer doesn't think any 1� handers can compete with the eSoS Epic Chimera's Fang wielded by a high-strengthed human with all 3 Sentinel Dragonmarks would certainly be the highest DPS weapon for a sword and board toon.

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NytCrawlr Ex Member	Re: Weapon rebalancing? Epic / Greensteel / Cannith Reply #35 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 6:28pm	Print Post
	Jaxx wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 4:45pm: If the ESoS "fix" goes into game as is and causes Axer to rage quit again for another 12 months, I am all for the changes! This should be popcorn worthy. Not that I have had reason to dislike Axer yet. One of these days I will join his LFM and see what all the fuss is about. I'm for a khopesh nerf too, but then again I wouldn't mind the PnP version either.


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NytCrawlr Ex Member	Re: Weapon rebalancing? Epic / Greensteel / Cannith Reply #36 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 6:30pm	Print Post
	Arkat wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 3:38pm: Epic Chimera's Fang wielded by a high-strengthed human with all 3 Sentinel Dragonmarks would certainly be the highest DPS weapon for a sword and board toon. Yup! Building Nyess into one. Got the shard, just needs the other two. Almost got a completed epic chimera's crown too, just need the seal. But yeah, looking over this more, not sure why they are going this route other than to not make the eSoS even more powerful.


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scraap Ex Member	Re: Weapon rebalancing? Epic / Greensteel / Cannith Reply #37 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 2:59am	Print Post
	Quote: I'm for a khopesh nerf too, but then again I wouldn't mind the PnP version either. It really would need to be modified for utility. +2 on trip when wielding one specific weapon-type for a feat is fine in d20. They've blown that away pretty bad with the inflation. And that's not even accounting for the rednamed immunities issue. Kinda why I suggested knock-down on vorpal, hamstring on rednamed. Same general defensive buff, since on your ass is doing zero damage, but they would need something applicable when push comes to shove. Or, they could, y'know, make trash something more than mobile scenery.


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QuantumFX Shroud Slacker Offline Now back to the GOOD part! Posts: 1170 Joined: Nov 15^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Weapon rebalancing? Epic / Greensteel / Cannith Reply #38 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 3:38am	Print Post
	Personally, I would still like to see khopesh nerfed to �Only gets a x3 crit multiplier on a natural 19-20� or �Has the same threat range as a Scimitar/Rapier�. Toss in a slightly higher base damage (2d4 for a standard khopesh) and call it a day. Why? All the exotic weapons are basically other weapons with an increased damage die. (ex. Bastard Sword is just a higher die Longsword. Dwarven Axe is a higher base damage Battleaxe.) Adjusting the crit profile and base damage just makes the khopesh into a funky scimitar. However, if they nerfed it in this way Bastard Swords/Dwarven Axes would have to lose the benefits that they gain with the THF feats. And� the devs would have to do something to allow players to transfer greensteel enchantments to a different weapon type. I was only willing to build my rogue around khopeshes because of the big benefits to a human. Lose that and I'd rather be piercing specced.


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Hi Welcome King of Trolls Offline Drama chips... now in Argonnessen Apple flavor! Posts: 2759 Joined: Aug 14^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Weapon rebalancing? Epic / Greensteel / Cannith Reply #39 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:23am	Print Post
	Quote: It really would need to be modified for utility. +2 on trip when wielding one specific weapon-type for a feat is fine in d20. They've blown that away pretty bad with the inflation. And that's not even accounting for the rednamed immunities issue. Kinda why I suggested knock-down on vorpal, hamstring on rednamed. Same general defensive buff, since on your ass is doing zero damage, but they would need something applicable when push comes to shove. Or, they could, y'know, make trash something more than mobile scenery. By fine you mean completely worthless right?

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scraap Ex Member	Re: Weapon rebalancing? Epic / Greensteel / Cannith Reply #40 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:37am	Print Post
	Hi Welcome wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:23am: By fine you mean completely worthless right? Worth less than some other feats, perhaps, but 10% success on top of improved trip to put you on the dice and keep you there, in order to ditch their attack and defense on down 20% (Again, we're talking things on the dice here.) aint total shit.


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Darkrok Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1066 Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Weapon rebalancing? Epic / Greensteel / Cannith Reply #41 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 10:20am	Print Post
	First of all, Shade's head asploded in the thread now. If you're not banned, make sure to post reasonable rebuttals just to watch him go supernova. As for khopeshes I think they'd be fine with the following: 19-20x2 crit, 20x3 (total profile of 3 or 6 w/ iCrit), +2 exceptional vertigo, trip w/ dc scaling to either normal trip dc/level of weapon/no dc at all on a vorpal strike. So you're spending the feat on +2 exceptional vertigo and the vorpal trip mechanic. One additional thought is that rather than giving the +2 exceptional vertigo you could give the Improved Trip feat if the person didn't have it and +2 exceptional vertigo if they did. That would be a bigger buff than just +2 exceptional vertigo and make the khopesh feat even better but would require the person to use a khopesh to benefit from the improved trip (unlike the feat where they could swap to whatever).

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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Weapon rebalancing? Epic / Greensteel / Cannith Reply #42 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 10:24am	Print Post
	You know what they could do? Fix bugs. THEN worry about everything else.

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Fuck Off The Big Fuck Offline My favorite word is Fuck. Fuck, fuck, fuck. Posts: 1284 Location: Fuckville Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010	Re: Weapon rebalancing? Epic / Greensteel / Cannith Reply #43 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 10:39am	Print Post
	Quote: I'm for a khopesh nerf too, but then again I wouldn't mind the PnP version either. Eladrin did say that no one really wants a longsword with +2 to trip so I don't think kopesh will be changed to PnP.

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Jaxx Fleet Admiral Offline Posts: 1003 Joined: Aug 8^th, 2009	Re: Weapon rebalancing? Epic / Greensteel / Cannith Reply #44 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 10:40am	Print Post
	Epoch wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 10:24am: You know what they could do? Fix bugs.� THEN worry about everything else.


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NotMyDDOName Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 120 Joined: Jul 18^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Weapon rebalancing? Epic / Greensteel / Cannith Reply #45 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 10:40am	Print Post
	Oakianus wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 12:11am: http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=4172570&postcount=60 Gold.� GOLD, I TELLS YA!� They haven't revised his use of CUNTING in the post yet.


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NytCrawlr Ex Member	Re: Weapon rebalancing? Epic / Greensteel / Cannith Reply #46 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 11:43am	Print Post
	Darkrok wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 10:20am: First of all, Shade's head asploded in the thread now.� If you're not banned, make sure to post reasonable rebuttals just to watch him go supernova. He so reminds me sometimes of one of the ultra power-gaming players I had in my group many moons ago. This was popcorn worthy, thanks. Darkrok wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 10:20am: One additional thought is that rather than giving the +2 exceptional vertigo you could give the Improved Trip feat if the person didn't have it and +2 exceptional vertigo if they did.� That would be a bigger buff than just +2 exceptional vertigo and make the khopesh feat even better but would require the person to use a khopesh to benefit from the improved trip (unlike the feat where they could swap to whatever). I think the +2 exceptional vertigo is fine by itself really along with a 20/x3 crit profile. With epic slots increasing this to +3 or even +4 or something similar.
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Hi Welcome King of Trolls Offline Drama chips... now in Argonnessen Apple flavor! Posts: 2759 Joined: Aug 14^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Weapon rebalancing? Epic / Greensteel / Cannith Reply #47 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 12:37pm	Print Post
	Quote: Worth less than some other feats, perhaps, but 10% success on top of improved trip to put you on the dice and keep you there, in order to ditch their attack and defense on down 20% (Again, we're talking things on the dice here.) aint total shit. Improved Trip is double that, and other benefits. No one is going to waste a feat on a weapon for +2. Especially since any tripper is already using a feat on an exotic weapon. It's called a spiked chain (and in DDO, there's no spiked chains, but it's also easy to get a DC fuck off trip check). Especially since it's a one handed weapon, which is total shit in D&D and only isn't total shit in DDO because everything's slower and there's no chargers. Fuck Off wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 10:39am: Eladrin did say that no one really wants a longsword with +2 to trip so I don't think kopesh will be changed to PnP. He's right.

	� �� Epoch wrote on Mar 14^th, 2012 at 5:15am: When people bring in their personal lives, it is all fair game.� This board promotes trolling.� If you bring something up, expect it to be used against you at a later date if not immediately.� You want to bring up personal shit, well, that is your problem. Eladiun wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 1:46pm: If one fails to understand the nuances of elite level trolling they would falsely interpret posts meant to fan the flames as support.
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Blank_Zero Ex Member	Re: Weapon rebalancing? Epic / Greensteel / Cannith Reply #48 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 6:19pm	Print Post
	Darkrok wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 10:20am: First of all, Shade's head asploded in the thread now.� If you're not banned, make sure to post reasonable rebuttals just to watch him go supernova. As tempting as that is, I already have his use of Cunting quoted. Don't need to draw more attention to myself atm.


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Auran Stormreaver Piker Offline www.drama.yourserver .ok? Posts: 668 Joined: Jan 26^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Weapon rebalancing? Epic / Greensteel / Cannith Reply #49 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 8:39pm	Print Post
	Quote: As tempting as that is, I already have his use of Cunting quoted. Don't need to draw more attention to myself atm. We were all cunting on you!

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