Been doing that on every run since my first after the update.  Only once has it failed me, and that's because I was too drunk to run the right direction.

I think we will experience a death or three in part 4 going forward.

Jaxx wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 10:18am:



You need to coordinate where they all run to before you jump in.  I usually tell them to head straight to the load in point, as everyone knows where that is, and they know where it is in relation to where they are without thinking about it.  Tell them to run to a clock point and sometimes people will get confused on directionality.  Tell them to run to the load in point and they know where to go.  So tell them to run to the load in point, and then go to where the healers are.  Then spread out a little for his DBFs & MSs.  Then gather again when he begins his strafing runs.

Jaxx wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 10:27am:


I bet it mostly sounded like this "mmmmrrmm, mrrm, FUCKING KILL IT, mrrm".

No one ever says good bye on our runs, and usually someone(s) have dropped group by part 5.

part 4 shroud was hard to heal when it first came out and its nice to see it go back to that.

the blades have always had a consistent pattern they just didnt matter much before u12. figure the pattern out and it shouldn't be too tough.

ran a hard last night on my SS bard and I was one of the 3 to finish part 4. healers that have no clue wont last very long. set up towards the middle when the trash pops between rounds and move towards the outside as the blades circle in. there is a shrinking gap in the blades that the melees need to time to get out before it closes and as a healer you need to focus on your stongest melee to keep alive. DBFb's once again need to be accounted for. he telegraphs his target. watch for it.

it is no longer a snooze fest that could be done on autopilot. shroud now quickly separates the contenders from the pretenders. i wish they would bring back the part 2 penalty box then we'd really hear alot of people whine.

"boo hoo, shrouds too hard". "i want my easy pike completions on my useless noob toon"."whaaaaa. its too hard". 

sack up people. its a raid that still drops some of the most desireable items in the game. it should be and needs to be difficult. adapt or get out!!!

***my thoughts on the new and improved retro style shroud, nothing more.***

Jaxx wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 10:32am:

Well to be fair, you can rez multiple people after p4, but no one ever does.
Quickened Raise Dead, then Quickened Resurrection (which is on a different timer), then Quickened True Res or a scroll (which is on a different timer still).  You can get up three people if you're quick enough.  Two if you're using a scroll & a clicky (but you have to be REALLY fast in this case).

Hell, I've accepted a Rez and then raised two more people on my own before the stones got pulled back.  You just have to be fast.

The problem isn't that it can't be done.  The problem is that no one ever tries.

Jaxx wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 10:47am:


On my FvS I just have Res. I have scrolls somewhere, but I can never find them on my hot bar.

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stainer wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 10:49am:

I keep the spell(s) hotkeyed, and I keep a vertical bar next to the party UI where the scrolls are.
I also remapped the F-keys, so I UI target rather than hotkey target.  Using F-keys to target would be even faster (but I only have F1-F4 on my gamepad, so it would be harder for me personally) .

I was waiting for someone to bring that up. 

I really like the new Shroud.  Those few times I have run it without awful lag have been really great.  And last night was the first time that I've gone through one and not been one of the last people up, so it makes me feel kinda competent, too.   

I think it was having to do both of the 5x5s right before that.  I'm only allowed a certain amount of competence in each quest, and I used it all up before Harry.

I mentioned casually something about heading to the west to get out of the blades, though at this point, I don't believe direction to matter.  I don't think using the gap in the blades is very feasible due to lag and peoples' inability to listen.  On top of that losing a lot more time DPSing Harry down.  I did notice Stainer hiding behind me from the meteor swarms after getting out of the blades...

That paladin Forcesomething ragequit before we finished part 4.  But him ragequitting because he didn't get a raise sounds better I guess.  He was running around in part 2 trying to agro all the bosses and annoy stainer.

I enjoy shroud more now without the 200hp wonder rogues/casters.  I think they learned quickly after the update came out they need to find a con item.

I believe there was enough of a shit storm when all the discussion on usurping happened that they stopped at officers being able to usurp and did not allow members.