Hi Welcome.

So, i was looking up different builds on the forums to find out what to make next. And because I was bored.

My favorite characters to play are Fvs, og. og so fun! I have both evoker and.. the other one. lol.
I also have a  tr PM wizard. She's awesome to play. It was tough getting her to be able to  be awesome tho. Seems like it was a lot of work. i bought arti, made character, never played. Just recently made my first evasion character, it's an edited version of some build on the ddo.forums. D  aaaaaaannnnnddd evasion is fun. My str based fvs was a barb last life. barbs were fun till end game and i had no gear, haha.. so i was just like, fuck this.. I'm tring into a fvs. shrug, and i did. love it.

I haven't met a full/ranger yet that I like. (ingame)
I noticed that the type of person who has a full rogue as their main toon, is generally a weirdo in real life. Not the bad kind, just the weird kind. I live with one, and go clubbing with another. They both are crazy. and quirky. There are others.

I have yet to meet an archmagi that is an awesome person. I only know of one AM, he was in mangar, (argo) and he was sorta a douche.
"well my character is far better than your character..." This was back when I was a n00b and literally my first character was a PM wizard... of course urs is better silly. Meow.

Anywho, any thoughts on fun builds that are just awesome to play? Or, which ones are HARD to play but that you enjoy anyway? What's the worst experiance you've had either running into, or playing a character?

People who use premade builds from some  forum that some douche named should be shot.  If you can't make your own build (get advice afterwards is acceptable) then you should go back to wow.  Ever ytime I hear someone say, "I play nameofbuild and it is awesome" I want to slit their throat and shit down it.

Anslet wrote on Dec 7^th, 2011 at 9:09am:



Some people would disagree.  Much to the horror of the rest of us.

Epoch wrote on Dec 7^th, 2011 at 9:00am:

You have to start somewhere being able to make your own builds.

And taking something which has been proven to be a great class split, and tweaking it to your needs, is a very fundamental step towards being able to make your own build.

If I say "I play a Blitz", I mean: I play a 12 fgt/6 barb/2 rog, but not the build in the OP of the Blizt thread.

aDifferentHandle wrote on Dec 7^th, 2011 at 9:20am:



I agree! I saw something and edited it a bit and it's a lot of fun. Figured someone else already made the mistakes for the evasion character, hah. I prefer casters for sure but this was a lot of fun anyway 

Epoch wrote on Dec 7^th, 2011 at 9:37am:


Because every player wants to be a rules freak.

Hell, this was never even true when D&D came in a red box and elf was a class.

Yeah, I have to disagree.  I think you can gain knowledge of the game, classes, skills, stats, etc. while playing a premade build.  That way at the point you don't know the game at least you get to experience it on a non-terrible character.  Try out a lot of the premades, start trying your own changes to them, and then as you gain experience with all the things you've listed you can branch out into creating workable builds.

We can't have it both ways.  If we want people to figure the game out on their own then we need to not have people nerd raging on them when they show up with their 10wiz/10sorc with 187hp for our Shroud runs.  They're simply doing what you suggested and making their own build.  What you seem to be suggesting is that if you don't already have the knowledge necessary to make your own build the moment you start playing DDO then you should go back to WoW.  That's fine that you have no interest in new players that lack an extensive background in PnP but I don't think that opinion would be good for the health of the game.

Personally, I'm happy when someone shows up with a pre-made and seems clueless about the game otherwise.  At least I know the build part of Gear-Build-Skill is decent, even if the gear and skill aren't necessarily there.

Darkrok wrote on Dec 7^th, 2011 at 10:22am:


I think new players that have an extensive background in pnp are most likely to make complete gimps.

an elven fighter/wizard/cleric (say, 6/7/7) can work great on paper (at least a long time ago) but would obviously be abysmal in DDO.

If Turbine actually had documentation that was worth a shit, then I'd agree with Epoch.  As it stands now, however, I'm not able to read through the rules and make a character that takes advantage of the nooks and crannies in DDO's rules because most of DDO's rules aren't available for me to see and

Now that I've built a Wizard and run her through two lives, I know a lot about what works and what doesn't (although I still often forget to charm enemies since just murdering them is so much more fun).  Before I built my first Wizard, however, I didn't know what spells were useful and what weren't (and why).  I didn't know which feats had value and which didn't (and why).  And I didn't know a damned thing about targeting effectively.

I ended up making a Wizard 18/Rogue 2 that was a lot of fun and that died much less often than my boneheaded play mistakes diserved.  Some of the starting information was obvious - Max Int, 14 or better Con, Insightful Reflexes.  A lot of things were less obvious.  If it weren't for pre-made builds to browse through and for a couple of people posting an analysis of the spell lists, I'd have ended up casting Wall of Fire even more than I did and that's no good for anyone.

I think it's a terrible mistake to limit yourself to a pre-made build from the forum.  I think that it's just as big of a mistake for a brand new player (or even a more experienced player who is brand new to a class/archetype) to completely ignore those pre-made builds.

And to put things in perspective, just think of those poor bastards who went with one of Turbine's pre-made builds.

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Epoch wrote on Dec 7^th, 2011 at 9:13am:


wat? how did i get dragged into this?

someday I think I'll play with some gimpy builds like that to see if there is any fun to be had playing them. I'm guessing I'll most likely give up around lvl 12.

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I like my light monk, too!  This is probably why you never tried to kill me.