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Nerdychaz Waterworks Kobold Offline I was queer before the ponies! Posts: 188 Location: Cannith Joined: Oct 3^rd, 2011 Gender:	WTF Cannith? Dec 8^th, 2011 at 7:18pm	Print Post
	Since update 12 I have healed several successful runs of shroud normal. I then put the healer back into his box for a bit and leveled my rogue. I then take said rogue into Shroud Normal on a guild run, it is clean and fast as always. I then take said rogue into several fail PUGs. I am seriously aghast at the lack of ability of the PUGGers on Cannith. Now, you may be saying "well, part 4 is very difficult now for the newb." Well, lets just say the party never got to part 4 and I burned a lot of heal and rez scrolls. Sad sad day. I think it is about time to start putting learning raids again.


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wisky Korthos Resident Offline OMG Posts: 30 Location: East coast USA Joined: Nov 21^st, 2011 Gender:	Re: WTF Cannith? Reply #1 - Dec 8^th, 2011 at 11:53pm	Print Post
	Lots of noobs think con is a dump stat , heavy fort whats that for .The learning needs to start with gear/ stats and feats.The days of auto attack and carry me thur are gone.


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vyrn Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 23 Joined: Mar 24^th, 2011	Re: WTF Cannith? Reply #2 - Dec 9^th, 2011 at 11:35am	Print Post
	You figured out pugs are worthless, congrats. Really, its fucking shroud, youre a divine, how do you not carry people through it? Unless its sub-200 HP idiots, you should be able to keep people up. And the sub-200 HP idiots arent contributing much to DPS anyway so who cares. So not really sure why you mention you can press a couple buttons everytime theyre off cooldown like its an accomplishment. Oh, and quit preaching to the choir about con being a dump stat, dont understand why people feel the need to constantly remind others on the forum that HP is important.
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	Quote: Ah told that teachin' laday, tha only 3 letters I needs ta learn is U, S, and A!
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Belwaar Shroud Slacker Offline Posts: 1017 Location: With Hordo's Mom Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: WTF Cannith? Reply #3 - Dec 9^th, 2011 at 12:53pm	Print Post
	vyrn wrote on Dec 9^th, 2011 at 11:35am: You figured out pugs are worthless, congrats. Really, its fucking shroud, youre a divine, how do you not carry people through it? Unless its sub-200 HP idiots, you should be able to keep people up. And the sub-200 HP idiots arent contributing much to DPS anyway so who cares. So not really sure why you mention you can press a couple buttons everytime theyre off cooldown like its an accomplishment. Oh, and quit preaching to the choir about con being a dump stat, dont understand why people feel the need to constantly remind others on the forum that HP is important.

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buckeye Korthos Resident Offline Posts: 74 Location: dayton Joined: Jan 30^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: WTF Cannith? Reply #4 - Dec 9^th, 2011 at 12:59pm	Print Post
	vyrn wrote on Dec 9^th, 2011 at 11:35am: You figured out pugs are worthless, congrats. Really, its fucking shroud, youre a divine, how do you not carry people through it? Unless its sub-200 HP idiots, you should be able to keep people up. And the sub-200 HP idiots arent contributing much to DPS anyway so who cares. So not really sure why you mention you can press a couple buttons everytime theyre off cooldown like its an accomplishment. Oh, and quit preaching to the choir about con being a dump stat, dont understand why people feel the need to constantly remind others on the forum that HP is important. People can play their bullshit 8 con gimps for all I care. Puggers are too fucking stupid. Dont kill the last devil in part 4 until the blades go away. It is not that hard, but they dont fucking care. Sure it is a game, but I am sick and tired of having to deal with dumbasses that feel entitled to easy completions. And back to your point about hp. I have alot fo people in guild that can make 200 hp lvl 20's that can make it work. They have experience and know when to use uncanny dodge, and when to attack and when to hold back. I have also seen the pug caster that has 4 toughness feats, but has no empower or max. Good fucking call, right? I hate fucking puggers.


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vyrn Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 23 Joined: Mar 24^th, 2011	Re: WTF Cannith? Reply #5 - Dec 9^th, 2011 at 1:45pm	Print Post
	I hate fucking people who use extreme example as if they prove a point about the vast majority of builds.. And didnt I already say something about preaching to the choir? Im fairly sure everyone who figured how to google 'DDO Vault' knows that you dont do retarded shit like all toughness no meta caster builds. On your point about 200 HP chars that 'make it work', I wonder how they never roll a 1, or get hit by cleave attacks, or hell, take any sort of damage. Cause if they do, I dont want to be the poor sap that has to keep their gimp ass up and running. How the fuck do you get sub-200 HP at cap anyway when you can easily pass that with minimal effort on any character? Lets take a 6 con elf wizzy for example. d4 x 20 = 80. So base 60 HP due to 6 con. +60 from a +6 con item. 120. +30 from GFL 150. +20 toughness for 170. Get a ship buff and a rage and holy shit you passed 200. Tell me why your guildies are making an effort to be useless liabilities?
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	Quote: Ah told that teachin' laday, tha only 3 letters I needs ta learn is U, S, and A!
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Hordo High Rabbi Offline Le Douchebag Posts: 2405 Location: Cordova, Tennessee Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: WTF Cannith? Reply #6 - Dec 9^th, 2011 at 1:48pm	Print Post
	vyrn wrote on Dec 9^th, 2011 at 1:45pm: I hate fucking people who use extreme example as if they prove a point about the vast majority of builds.. And didnt I already say something about preaching to the choir? Im fairly sure everyone who figured how to google 'DDO Vault' knows that you dont do retarded shit like all toughness no meta caster builds. On your point about 200 HP chars that 'make it work', I wonder how they never roll a 1, or get hit by cleave attacks, or hell, take any sort of damage. Cause if they do, I dont want to be the poor sap that has to keep their gimp ass up and running. Have you been MYDDO'ing my toons again?

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Blank_Zero Ex Member	Re: WTF Cannith? Reply #7 - Dec 9^th, 2011 at 2:22pm	Print Post
	Mmmm, I like this thread. So much nerd rage here today. Hordo is expert.


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xveganrox Korthos Resident Offline Kobold never forgive! Kobold remember Waterworks! Posts: 24 Location: Cannith Joined: Nov 16^th, 2011	Re: WTF Cannith? Reply #8 - Dec 9^th, 2011 at 2:54pm	Print Post
	buckeye wrote on Dec 9^th, 2011 at 12:59pm: Dont kill the last devil in part 4 until the blades go away.� People actually do that? Let me guess, you're the type that gets really pissed if we don't "save" the kobold so that nobody has to suffer through the indignity of fighting a the boss of a level 17 raid with only 80% of their mana on their capped TR...


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buckeye Korthos Resident Offline Posts: 74 Location: dayton Joined: Jan 30^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: WTF Cannith? Reply #9 - Dec 9^th, 2011 at 3:00pm	Print Post
	xveganrox wrote on Dec 9^th, 2011 at 2:54pm: People actually do that? Let me guess, you're the type that gets really pissed if we don't "save" the kobold so that nobody has to suffer through the indignity of fighting a the boss of a level 17 raid with only 80% of their mana on their capped TR... If I am pugging in a shitty group I might. Not that I am concerned about my own talents, I am more concerned about the 2 healers that have no mana because they are blowing it all on dumb stuff. I dont pug Shroud often because of this.


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buckeye Korthos Resident Offline Posts: 74 Location: dayton Joined: Jan 30^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: WTF Cannith? Reply #10 - Dec 9^th, 2011 at 3:06pm	Print Post
	vyrn wrote on Dec 9^th, 2011 at 1:45pm: I hate fucking people who use extreme example as if they prove a point about the vast majority of builds.. And didnt I already say something about preaching to the choir? Im fairly sure everyone who figured how to google 'DDO Vault' knows that you dont do retarded shit like all toughness no meta caster builds. On your point about 200 HP chars that 'make it work', I wonder how they never roll a 1, or get hit by cleave attacks, or hell, take any sort of damage. Cause if they do, I dont want to be the poor sap that has to keep their gimp ass up and running. How the fuck do you get sub-200 HP at cap anyway when you can easily pass that with minimal effort on any character? Lets take a 6 con elf wizzy for example. d4 x 20 = 80. So base 60 HP due to 6 con. +60 from a +6 con item. 120. +30 from GFL 150. +20 toughness for 170. Get a ship buff and a rage and holy shit you passed 200. Tell me why your guildies are making an effort to be useless liabilities? This same firend now on khyber soloed Tod, epic DA and many other things that 99% of the rest of the people could not do even if they played his account. I was not trying to yell at you personally about con as a dump stat, in total it just iritates me how many people overlook it. Another buddy made a rogue with 8 base int. Couldnt disarm shit, but was one of the DPS you could ever want. You can argue that it is a liability, but we have fun and complete the quest. I do not recommend making 200 hp characters, but it is a nice challenge when we get a few of us that try to group together with 8 base con. I would never unleash this on this character into a pug raid, where he could be a liability, but is is something different for us to do.


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xveganrox Korthos Resident Offline Kobold never forgive! Kobold remember Waterworks! Posts: 24 Location: Cannith Joined: Nov 16^th, 2011	Re: WTF Cannith? Reply #11 - Dec 9^th, 2011 at 3:16pm	Print Post
	buckeye wrote on Dec 9^th, 2011 at 3:06pm: Another buddy made a rogue with 8 base int.� Couldnt disarm shit, but was one of the DPS you could ever want.� You can argue that it is a liability, but we have fun and complete the quest.� I do not recommend making 200 hp characters, but it is a nice challenge when we get a few of us that try to group together with 8 base con.� I would never unleash this on this character into a pug raid, where he could be a liability, but is is something different for us to do. Hey now, let's not perpetuate stereotypes. 8-base int rogues can do any traps just fine, as long as they take full ranks search/DD and have gear for them..


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qwerty1234 Ex Member	Re: WTF Cannith? Reply #12 - Dec 9^th, 2011 at 4:37pm	Print Post
	I've seen some gimptastically awful shroud pugs on Cannith. Zero dots on harry, really? Oh I guess you were too busy casting Meteor Swarm, good call there.


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vyrn Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 23 Joined: Mar 24^th, 2011	Re: WTF Cannith? Reply #13 - Dec 9^th, 2011 at 4:43pm	Print Post
	buckeye wrote on Dec 9^th, 2011 at 3:06pm: This same firend now on khyber soloed Tod, epic DA and many other things that 99% of the rest of the people could not do even if they played his account.� I was not trying to yell at you personally about con as a dump stat, in total it just iritates me how many people overlook it. Another buddy made a rogue with 8 base int.� Couldnt disarm shit, but was one of the DPS you could ever want.� You can argue that it is a liability, but we have fun and complete the quest.� I do not recommend making 200 hp characters, but it is a nice challenge when we get a few of us that try to group together with 8 base con.� I would never unleash this on this character into a pug raid, where he could be a liability, but is is something different for us to do. I still dont understand what oh-so uber gear set up they have that rules out the possibility of slotting +6 con/GFL/toughness in so many slots. With 6 base con. Trolling or just dont understand addition?

	Quote: Ah told that teachin' laday, tha only 3 letters I needs ta learn is U, S, and A!
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Orberon Waterworks Kobold Offline Is It Not Nifty? Posts: 173 Location: Somewhere around Houston, TX. Joined: Dec 6^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: WTF Cannith? Reply #14 - Dec 9^th, 2011 at 6:19pm	Print Post
	vyrn wrote on Dec 9^th, 2011 at 4:43pm: I still dont understand what oh-so uber gear set up they have that rules out the possibility of slotting +6 con/GFL/toughness in so many slots. With 6 base con. Trolling or just dont understand addition? Where did he say he had none of these things? English not your first language or are you just trolling?

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vyrn Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 23 Joined: Mar 24^th, 2011	Re: WTF Cannith? Reply #15 - Dec 9^th, 2011 at 8:26pm	Print Post
	Orberon wrote on Dec 9^th, 2011 at 6:19pm: Where did he say he had none of these things?� buckeye wrote on Dec 9^th, 2011 at 3:06pm: This same firend now on khyber soloed Tod, epic DA and many other things that 99% of the rest of the people could not do even if they played his account.� Saying that with enough skill, sub-200 HP is anything but a liability in a group.� That was hard to find.
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	Quote: Ah told that teachin' laday, tha only 3 letters I needs ta learn is U, S, and A!
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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: WTF Cannith? Reply #16 - Dec 9^th, 2011 at 8:38pm	Print Post
	vyrn wrote on Dec 9^th, 2011 at 1:45pm: I hate fucking people who cant do basic addition. How the fuck do you get sub-200 HP at cap anyway when you can easily pass that with minimal effort on any character? Lets take a 6 con elf wizzy for example. d4 x 20 = 80. So base 60 HP due to 6 con. +60 from a +6 con item. 120. +30 from GFL 150. +20 toughness for 170. -40� 6 base con 080� class hp at 20� �� 060� 6 con item 030 gfl 020 toughness 020 rage 020 ship buff con 020 heroic durability (feat you start off with-always) 210 See? Still hit 210 easily enough, but do your fucking math correctly.� Six con is -40, not -20.� You have no choice but to have the 20 hp from heroic durability.� Tell me why you made an effort to suck at math? I fixed your post for you, I quoted the original so you could see the difference. vyrn wrote on Dec 9^th, 2011 at 1:45pm: How the fuck do you get sub-200 HP at cap anyway when you can easily pass that with minimal effort on any character? Lets take a 6 con elf wizzy for example. d4 x 20 = 80. So base 60 HP due to 6 con. +60 from a +6 con item. 120. +30 from GFL 150. +20 toughness for 170. Get a ship buff and a rage and holy shit you passed 200. Tell me why your guildies are making an effort to be useless liabilities?
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vyrn Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 23 Joined: Mar 24^th, 2011	Re: WTF Cannith? Reply #17 - Dec 9^th, 2011 at 9:44pm	Print Post
	Ah, derp, yea. But works out to 210 in the end anyhow, forgot about the feat you get at lv1.

	Quote: Ah told that teachin' laday, tha only 3 letters I needs ta learn is U, S, and A!
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arjiwan Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Comedy! Posts: 320 Joined: Nov 17^th, 2011	Re: WTF Cannith? Reply #18 - Dec 10^th, 2011 at 1:56am	Print Post
	Yes! Here I am looking for people from Cannith to post something in the Vault. Yes! and I agree with Vyrn, saying Con is not a dump stat both here and the official forums is really really lame and stupid. Doesn't make you look cool like you think. (Gawd, I hope I looked cool while saying that..) Oh, and do I really need to say "fuck"?


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Hi Welcome King of Trolls Offline Drama chips... now in Argonnessen Apple flavor! Posts: 2759 Joined: Aug 14^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: WTF Cannith? Reply #19 - Dec 10^th, 2011 at 12:07pm	Print Post
	arjiwan wrote on Dec 10^th, 2011 at 1:56am: Yes!� Here I am looking for people from Cannith to post something in the Vault.� Yes! and I agree with Vyrn, saying Con is not a dump stat both here and the official forums is really really lame and stupid.� Doesn't make you look cool like you think. (Gawd, I hope I looked cool while saying that..) Oh, and do I really need to say "fuck"? It does need to be said though.

	� �� Epoch wrote on Mar 14^th, 2012 at 5:15am: When people bring in their personal lives, it is all fair game.� This board promotes trolling.� If you bring something up, expect it to be used against you at a later date if not immediately.� You want to bring up personal shit, well, that is your problem. Eladiun wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 1:46pm: If one fails to understand the nuances of elite level trolling they would falsely interpret posts meant to fan the flames as support.
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Blank_Zero Ex Member	Re: WTF Cannith? Reply #20 - Dec 10^th, 2011 at 2:02pm	Print Post
	arjiwan wrote on Dec 10^th, 2011 at 1:56am: Yes!� Here I am looking for people from Cannith to post something in the Vault.� Yes! and I agree with Vyrn, saying Con is not a dump stat both here and the official forums is really really lame and stupid.� Doesn't make you look cool like you think. (Gawd, I hope I looked cool while saying that..) Oh, and do I really need to say "fuck"? Con is not a dump stat. It doesn't have to be maxed, but from what I've seen of Cannith's population, it really should be...


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Oakianus Troleplayer Offline I Really Do Love Drama! Posts: 5466 Joined: May 20^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: WTF Cannith? Reply #21 - Dec 10^th, 2011 at 2:13pm	Print Post
	arjiwan wrote on Dec 10^th, 2011 at 1:56am: Yes!� Here I am looking for people from Cannith to post something in the Vault.� Yes! and I agree with Vyrn, saying Con is not a dump stat both here and the official forums is really really lame and stupid.� Doesn't make you look cool like you think. (Gawd, I hope I looked cool while saying that..) Oh, and do I really need to say "fuck"? Saying "When you're on fire, you should stop, drop and roll" doesn't make you look cool, either. That doesn't mean it isn't true.


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Blank_Zero Ex Member	Re: WTF Cannith? Reply #22 - Dec 10^th, 2011 at 2:16pm	Print Post
	Oakianus wrote on Dec 10^th, 2011 at 2:13pm: Saying "When you're on fire, you should live on forever" does make you look cool. ftfy


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Oakianus Troleplayer Offline I Really Do Love Drama! Posts: 5466 Joined: May 20^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: WTF Cannith? Reply #23 - Dec 10^th, 2011 at 2:21pm	Print Post
	Quote: ftfy Thanks for that. Such a bad typo.


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Nerdychaz Waterworks Kobold Offline I was queer before the ponies! Posts: 188 Location: Cannith Joined: Oct 3^rd, 2011 Gender:	Re: WTF Cannith? Reply #24 - Dec 10^th, 2011 at 2:37pm	Print Post
	vyrn wrote on Dec 9^th, 2011 at 11:35am: You figured out pugs are worthless, congrats. Really, its fucking shroud, youre a divine, how do you not carry people through it? Unless its sub-200 HP idiots, you should be able to keep people up. And the sub-200 HP idiots arent contributing much to DPS anyway so who cares. So not really sure why you mention you can press a couple buttons everytime theyre off cooldown like its an accomplishment. Oh, and quit preaching to the choir about con being a dump stat, dont understand why people feel the need to constantly remind others on the forum that HP is important. Read the post first moron, I was on my rogue. The groups I have been in wipe on part 2 and one even wiped on part 3. It is time to bring some serious education into the raid-o-sphere. I can't help but wonder if the bravery bonus is to blame, sending inexperienced people with no skill into content above their level.


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