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Re: MadFloyd wants to talk about Enhancements
Reply #100 - Jan 10th, 2012 at 1:46pm
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When/if this goes live, I am going to have to spend all week-end redoing all my toons.  Shocked

In the long run it should make for more fun, of course the opportunity to make some real gimps is going to be high, but heck at least I can (maybe) finally make that AA FvS I always wanted.  Cool
  

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Reply #101 - Jan 10th, 2012 at 2:03pm
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Cor wrote on Jan 10th, 2012 at 1:39pm:
It's just my hypothesis.  I'm not absolutely certain. 

I will agree with you that if the racial PrE takes up one of the three PrE slots, it would suck. Here's hoping your fears are unfounded.

Edit - A lot of this will depend on how much overlap there is between trees. This could be a real mess. If you need Life Magic III for RadServII, and also need Life Magic II for another cleric PrE, but have to take both I and II in both trees, that could get ugly. On the other hand, if enough of the existing rogue enhancements are available in every PrE trees, your Assassin may not need the Acrobat PrE at all.
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Re: MadFloyd wants to talk about Enhancements
Reply #102 - Jan 10th, 2012 at 2:39pm
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Kimberlite wrote on Jan 10th, 2012 at 2:03pm:
Edit - A lot of this will depend on how much overlap there is between trees. This could be a real mess. If you need Life Magic III for RadServII, and also need Life Magic II for another cleric PrE, but have to take both I and II in both trees, that could get ugly. On the other hand, if enough of the existing rogue enhancements are available in every PrE trees, your Assassin may not need the Acrobat PrE at all.


I think the intent is that you wouldn't "need" any particular enhancements, just some subset of the group of them in the tree, to get the PrE bonuses.

I'm sure Life Magic will be in the Radiant Servant tree.  My guess is it won't appear in the other trees.  Maybe weaker bonuses, that stack with the ones in Radiant Servant.

I expect most of the "Smiting" stuff will end up in the Exorcist of the Silver Flame tree, while any melee stuff will end up in Warpriest.
  
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Reply #103 - Jan 10th, 2012 at 4:38pm
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I find it interesting that racial PRE (eg. Dwarven Stalward Defender) being based on total level. Does that mean you could roll a pure Dwarf Cleric and get Stalward III thru racial PRE?
  

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Reply #104 - Jan 10th, 2012 at 4:41pm
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Deeds wrote on Jan 10th, 2012 at 4:38pm:
I find it interesting that racial PRE (eg. Dwarven Stalward Defender) being based on total level. Does that mean you could roll a pure Dwarf Cleric and get Stalward III thru racial PRE?


That seems likely, based on what we've been told so far.

My guess (entirely speculation) is there will be a 2 level delay, like Elven AA, but that's not a big deal.
  
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Reply #105 - Jan 10th, 2012 at 4:51pm
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Cor wrote on Jan 10th, 2012 at 4:41pm:
That seems likely, based on what we've been told so far.

My guess (entirely speculation) is there will be a 2 level delay, like Elven AA, but that's not a big deal.


That definitely sounds like what they're planning.  Also it's 3 class slots/1 race slot.  The race slot does not take away from the class one.

I love the post there about halflings (and possibly humans depending on whether they decide to let humans choose a pre) taking the assassin pre on artificers.  You could toss on a melee weapon, use the spell to substitute int bonus for to-hit (to heck with damage...we just need to hit it) and boom, 45+ assassinate dc on a ranged/casting toon.  Send in the pet, assassinate something, tac-det them all, dog intim's and you assassinate again.  Profit.

There are tons of interesting combinations but again, the devil will be in the details.  I hope we get enough time with this ahead of time to figure out what's OP'd and enjoy it for a bit.  Grin
  
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Reply #106 - Jan 10th, 2012 at 4:57pm
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Cor wrote on Jan 10th, 2012 at 4:41pm:
That seems likely, based on what we've been told so far.

My guess (entirely speculation) is there will be a 2 level delay, like Elven AA, but that's not a big deal.


But that will only let you take a tier 3 PRE if you stick with one race for all 20 levels!
  

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Reply #107 - Jan 10th, 2012 at 5:14pm
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popejubal wrote on Jan 10th, 2012 at 4:57pm:
But that will only let you take a tier 3 PRE if you stick with one race for all 20 levels!


Hmm... maybe that's what we're not hearing about that will give us back character customization.  Multi-racialling!

Finally, I can represent that three fifths Half-Orc, three tenths Halfling, 1 tenth Drow I've been dreaming of making.  You might ask what makes a three fifths Half-Orc different than a three tenths Orc plus three tenths Human, but that would be a very stupid question.
  
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Reply #108 - Jan 10th, 2012 at 5:16pm
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There was clearly a rape in that toons past...
  
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Reply #109 - Jan 10th, 2012 at 5:20pm
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If a a half-orc and a halfling have kids does that make a quaterling?
  

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Reply #110 - Jan 10th, 2012 at 5:22pm
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JC wrote on Jan 10th, 2012 at 5:20pm:
If a a half-orc and a halfling have kids does that make a quaterling?


No, it makes for either a very sore or completely unsatisfied mother.
  

                                                                      
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Reply #111 - Jan 10th, 2012 at 5:25pm
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Maxwell Edison wrote on Jan 10th, 2012 at 5:22pm:
No, it makes for either a very sore or completely unsatisfied mother.

Someone's clearlly not taking into account midget porn...amirite?  Grin
  
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Reply #113 - Jan 10th, 2012 at 5:39pm
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Reply #114 - Jan 10th, 2012 at 6:00pm
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Ok, I was completely wrong on the number of PrE's.  It's three TOTAL.  Period.  One can be a racial PrE but does not have to be.  You can spend points in your 'generic' racial tree without purchasing a racial PrE but if you do purchase a racial PrE then that tree replaces one of the other ones.

From the turbine forums:

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Simple clarification question: is it currently the intent that characters would have access to:

1. A Racial tree, plus 3 Class PrEs, one of which might be swapped out for the Racial PrE purchased by AP on the Racial tree.

2. A Racial tree, plus 3 Class PrEs, plus one Racial PrE purchased on the Racial tree. So, effectively, 4 PrEs possible.

3. A combined Racial/Racial PrE tree, plus 3 Class PrEs.
I PM'd MadFloyd this question, since I thought it would get buried, and he just PM'd back confirmation that #1 is indeed correct. We will have access to 3 PrE trees only, including the Racial PrE you can buy from the Racial tree.

I was kind of hoping the answer would be 2 or 3, but I'm glad to know exactly what it is we should be discussing.
  
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Reply #115 - Jan 10th, 2012 at 6:30pm
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Based on what Darkrok quoted, and assuming the reported PM from Madfloyd is legitimate, my apologies on doubting your reading and counting skills, Cor.
  

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Reply #116 - Jan 10th, 2012 at 9:25pm
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Maxwell Edison wrote on Jan 10th, 2012 at 5:33pm:


Here's the kicker.

She's normal-sized.
  
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Reply #117 - Jan 10th, 2012 at 10:35pm
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Kimberlite wrote on Jan 10th, 2012 at 6:30pm:
Based on what Darkrok quoted, and assuming the reported PM from Madfloyd is legitimate, my apologies on doubting your reading and counting skills, Cor.


Quite all right.  Gotta have thicker skin than that around here.

Also, I can personally vouch for the legitimacy of that PM Wink
  
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Reply #118 - Jan 13th, 2012 at 9:53pm
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I can additionally confirm the Race +3 Tree thing. I also PMed for clarification. Here was my response:

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1. Is it true that in this system, each character would have access to UP to 4 trees (1 racial, 3 class).
(Eg a pure rogue could pick enh from ANY rogue PrE tree, BUT a 14/8 rogue/ftr could swap out ONE rogue tree,
say mechanic, for one fighter tree, say kensei. Yes?

Your Rogue/Fighter could swap all three of the selectable trees for the fighter trees if it likes. You have one tree locked to your race, and then the three customizable trees that can be anything you have unlocked.


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2. Would a 2 lvl splash still give you access to 1 of the splash-class's PrE trees? You could select a bunch of abilities, but you would NOT get the T1 PrE stuff free or whatever. Yes? 

A 2 level splash could replace all three of their trees with those from the splash class, but due to level restrictions on enhancements they'll probably be restricted to the bottom two rows of enhancements, and won't get the free ones. (Those require levels 3/6/9/12/15/18/20.)


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ANY indication as to when this stuff will hit Lama at all? Week, Month, 6 months? 

Can't give that information out yet.
  

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Reply #119 - Jan 13th, 2012 at 9:54pm
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Last one was Eladrin. Here's Mad:



Yes and yes.

As for Lama, I'm guessing May, but don't hold me to it; stuff happens. Smiley


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2 questions regarding the proposed Enh stuff-

1. Is it true that in this system, each character would have access to UP to 4 trees (1 racial, 3 class).
(Eg a pure rogue could pick enh from ANY rogue PrE tree, BUT a 14/8 rogue/ftr could swap out ONE rogue tree,
say mechanic, for one fighter tree, say kensei. Yes?


2. Would a 2 lvl splash still give you access to 1 of the splash-class's PrE trees? You could select a bunch of abilities, but you would NOT get the T1 PrE stuff free or whatever. Yes?




Ok.. 1 more:


ANY indication as to when this stuff will hit Lama at all? Week, Month, 6 months?


  

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Once you meat your personal goal you might want to give that some consideration.

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Reply #120 - Jan 13th, 2012 at 9:56pm
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One more for fun, I asked Mad about Cleric Domains, his response:

Great question, but I don't have an answer at the moment. I need to challenge Eladrin with this. Smiley


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I'm a cleric lover. (Don't tell my wife. She's not a cleric!! O.O)

Question: Domains. Will we see them?

Definitely yes?
Probably yes?
50/50?
Probably not?
Definitely not?



Will they possibly get folded into this new system somehow?



  

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Reply #121 - Jan 18th, 2012 at 6:49pm
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Chai arguing with Leslie. There can only be winners.
  

That's not opinion, that's science. And science is one cold hearted bitch with a 14 inch strap on.
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Reply #122 - Jan 18th, 2012 at 7:11pm
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aDifferentHandle wrote on Jan 18th, 2012 at 6:49pm:
Chai arguing with Leslie. There can only be winners.



There has hardly been a new thought in that thread for like 300+ posts. I was trying to keep up on it; every time I catch up I wonder why I read what I just read.
  

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Reply #123 - Jan 18th, 2012 at 7:28pm
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Meat-Head wrote on Jan 18th, 2012 at 7:11pm:
There has hardly been a new thought in that thread for like 300+ posts. I was trying to keep up on it; every time I catch up I wonder why I read what I just read.


Hey, Kashil, I had a couple questions about the new enhancement system:

How is it going to handle Savants (more than 3 PrEs)?

How will Ravager work on HOrcs if it's on a class with no rages?
  
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Reply #124 - Jan 18th, 2012 at 7:59pm
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Hey, Kashil, I had a couple questions about the new enhancement system:

How is it going to handle Savants (more than 3 PrEs)?

How will Ravager work on HOrcs if it's on a class with no rages?



Short answer for both of those = I have no idea. Nothing the devs have given us even begin to answer those two questions. The savant one in particular should be interesting with them separating the trees. Can you only up your acid damage if you spend AP in the earth savant tree? There is only 3 trees, but 4 main elements.. So you have to pick an element with NO enhancements??!

I'm as interested to know as you.

Overall though, I'm pumped about the changes.
  

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Once you meat your personal goal you might want to give that some consideration.

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