Holy crap. At first glance I'm drooling a little over an Assassin/Ninja Spy halfing build.

Or Dwarf anything, frankly.

To people bitching about crit rage - one of Eladrin's posts mentioned throwing crit rage (or something extremely similar) onto the Ravager PrE.

Here's the quote:

Quote:

He's just posted a tree mockup:

http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=4250712&postcount=578

I like it.

Maxwell Edison wrote on Jan 9^th, 2012 at 4:40pm:

This.

They will find a way to mess something up with that, I am sure of it. But I very much like the general appeal.

Edited:

http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=4250980&postcount=703

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SHARING ACTUAL INFO? THAT'S NOT ALLOWED!

Someone call !

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Maybe you could be this cool:

green00_00 wrote on Jan 9^th, 2012 at 10:35pm:


Sorry, this particular person(retarded sock puppet, or account buyer, depending) is all argo. 


sigh....

My initial reaction based on the first 35 or so pages of the thread:

Pros:

• High probability of all PrEs getting implemented and fully fleshed out
• Current shown AP costs will allow 2 tier 3 PrE's and 1 Tier 2 (maybe) or one Capstoned Tier 3 and a second tier 3
• Prestige tiers unlocking feat-like abilities
• More rewards for deep multiclassing builds
• Ability to spend AP anywhere and reset trees in any public area, less "BRB Guys going to spend this one AP I got last Quest!"
• Likely every toon will have at least 2 PrE's, more versatility in filling PuGs
• Easier for new players to build characters, Premade paths likely to be viable
• Crit-ragers forced to get off their asses and deal with the fact their build should have been remade years ago.
• Other stuff I'm likely forgetting

Cons:

• Likely big sacrifices must be made when swapping out a talent tree, some synergies may be quashed
• Ron's Character Planner sent into utter disarray
• Pure class characters may be at a disadvantage if they end up in a situation where they run out of *useful* enhancements but don't have enough AP/character levels to effectively multiclass
• 1000's of PrE combinations will be incredibly difficult to balance at high level with the limited range on a D20
• Announced tempest changes cements Drizztards as having a platform for their build being viable
• Every change/nerf/boost is going to create havoc with unintended consequences, builds of the month return with a vengeance
• ToD rings will be confusing as hell to figure out
• Other stuff I'm likely forgetting

I'm still for it.

Call me crazy, but I'm gonna wait until we have more than little stars in gray boxes to go on before I make a definitive opinion.

Cor wrote on Jan 10^th, 2012 at 1:14am:

Looks like three + racial, so four trees. It sounds like the threshold for Tier II may be 20 points, so you could in theory get Tier II in all four. I can see that helping melee more than casters, especially the way that he is leaning towards allowing things like toughness and ability scores to stack (cleric wisdom and monk wisdom on an 18/2? Tasty!!! Horc str and ftr str too) . If you can pull the bottom tier of toughness from a few different classes, that would be a lot of HP for very few action points, and so on with similar benefits for the lower tiers of ability score increases, and boosts / attack / damage bonus.

Depending on the PrEs, something like a 6/6/8 with three melee classes on a dorf could be an absolute beast. Since multiclassing a caster with another caster generally sucks, this could really benefit melee without nerfing blue bars.

Kimberlite wrote on Jan 10^th, 2012 at 2:14am:


Regarding the first part, it sounds like the devs are trying to come up with something which will give people more options and make character building more interesting on the enhancement front (especially while leveling, as a new player getting a new AP must be the most underwhelming thing, having to save AP to buy an enhancement you need to un-hide and search through a list for, can't be that fun, either that or you take what you can see which in most cases is useless). There are people in the thread however, who can't see past "OMG I may need to think for myself a bit!" and just seem doom. Granted, with turbine it's often warranted, but this change will hopefully be bringing with it the rest of the PREs and a MASSIVE number of new character possibilities. For every current build that might not work properly under the new system, I expect there will be 50 new ones people will think of.

On the second point, my suggestion was to have a base Racial tree + 3 class trees for a pure class character, with each additional class allowing them to add an additional tree. Up to a max of 5 class trees, in whatever layout you want.

The 3 + 1 tree idea works ok with a 'normal' build (pure or your standard 18/2 splash) but taking away the ability to make crazier builds would be a terrible idea.