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Xenostrata Ex Member	Why? Jan 16^th, 2012 at 4:26pm	Print Post
	Why is it that every ToD run, the WF tank and reconner gets assigned to the JAILER (ie, the one that DOESN'T throw a healing curse)? More and more groups just have an arcane tank the jailer now, but I still don't understand - why isn't the jailer killed first, and the judge tanked?


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Osharan Tregarth Horoluth Raider Offline I'm an ass... Deal with it. Posts: 2663 Location: Fresno Joined: Aug 23^rd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Why? Reply #1 - Jan 16^th, 2012 at 4:37pm	Print Post
	Quote: Why is it that every ToD run, the WF tank and reconner gets assigned to the JAILER (ie, the one that DOESN'T throw a healing curse)? More and more groups just have an arcane tank the jailer now, but I still don't understand - why isn't the jailer killed first, and the judge tanked? It's just to keep things together for the irritating boss. That way, when people get tossed all over the map, you don't have to worry about some random person getting aggro out of nowhere and getting cursed and dead. You're already looking for the curses and expecting it.

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substrate Dragon Raider Offline Posts: 263 Location: shithole city Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Why? Reply #2 - Jan 16^th, 2012 at 4:52pm	Print Post
	The Judge is the more problematic of the two because of his healing curse, it's easier for things to go wrong. Groups I run with started doing him first because if shit hits the fan for some reason, at least it was as early as possible. I don't know why your groups assign a toaster tank and a reconner to the Jailor, that's just retarded. One healer or self healing arcane can dot and kite him easily until the other is dead.


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	If people start getting killed for some reason, the damage output from the guys in the penalty box was given to the annoying boss . Let's say 3 or 4 dps get killed for some stupid reason...it would be easier to deal with an orthon rather than a pit fiend when you're behind on dps.

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Madcow430 Shroud Slacker Offline I have Mad Cow Disease Posts: 1207 Location: Arizona Joined: Jul 4^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Why? Reply #4 - Jan 16^th, 2012 at 5:31pm	Print Post
	The judge is a lot more dangerous to the group than the jailor. Much easier to have a divine/arcane/self healing dps/ac tank keep the jailor occupied while the party takes the judge down. I agree with the sentiment that a must be WF dps with arcane to recon him is redundant and laughable. Before update 9's dots it was easy to steal aggro and kite the jailor with a wizard. I'd done it myself on a couple of occasions following the WF 'tank' being squishy.


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Deeds Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 188 Joined: Nov 8^th, 2011	Re: Why? Reply #5 - Jan 16^th, 2012 at 6:11pm	Print Post
	Assign two arcanes or arcane and divine to dot the jailer while the rest kill judge, bard dances dogs... win.

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Semper Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 173 Joined: Nov 25^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Why? Reply #6 - Jan 16^th, 2012 at 10:01pm	Print Post
	We usually just have a melee type and all the arcanes and a healer type kill the orthon and everyone else on the judge and kill them at the same time / or a race if you want to think about it that way


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Xenostrata Ex Member	Re: Why? Reply #7 - Jan 16^th, 2012 at 10:03pm	Print Post
	Alright, I understand that if things go hairy, you want the Judge to be as dead as possible as opposed to the jailor - but on Normal ToD, in which even the most incompetent PuG will waltz past part 1, why do we continue to insist (on khyber) to put a WF tank/reconner on the jailor? Standard Khyberian stupidity?
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Throate Waterworks Kobold Offline ...to hear the lamentation of them noobs Posts: 154 Location: Austria Joined: Dec 2^nd, 2010 Gender:	Re: Why? Reply #8 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 2:27am	Print Post
	I'd say it's standard stupidity, aye. People see a horned devil and start screaming for a WF TANK!!!. I've been in plenty runs where a self healing caster was on kiting duty while everyone else killed the judge. None ever had any problems.


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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Why? Reply #9 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 4:40am	Print Post
	Why not?

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Xenostrata Ex Member	Re: Why? Reply #10 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 6:37am	Print Post
	Throate wrote on Jan 17^th, 2012 at 2:27am: I'd say it's standard stupidity, aye. People see a horned devil and start screaming for a WF TANK!!!. I've been in plenty runs where a self healing caster was on kiting duty while everyone else killed the judge. None ever had any problems. "Horned Devil!!! Quick, someone get the WF tank to tank the harmless one!"


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Throate Waterworks Kobold Offline ...to hear the lamentation of them noobs Posts: 154 Location: Austria Joined: Dec 2^nd, 2010 Gender:	Re: Why? Reply #11 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 6:55am	Print Post
	Exactly. There is a horned devil, so we absolutely need a WF tank who gets reconstructed. But since all other melees will be beating on the devil with mass heals on them the only thing left for him to tank is the orthon. The only logical approach, no?


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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Why? Reply #12 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 7:30am	Print Post
	Quote: "Horned Devil!!! Quick, someone get the WF tank to tank the harmless one!" Anyone with a Cloak of Curses can tank a Horned Devil with utter ease.

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JDollar Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Swarthy as fuck Posts: 5380 Location: Uttering "death threats"! Joined: Jun 24^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Why? Reply #13 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 7:44am	Print Post
	Arkat wrote on Jan 17^th, 2012 at 7:30am: Anyone with a Cloak of Curses can tank a Horned Devil with utter ease. Explain please, I haven't heard of or tried this, but I have a few cloak of curses kicking around.

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aDifferentHandle Abbot Raider Offline omg, that's the funky shit Posts: 996 Joined: Aug 30^th, 2010	Re: Why? Reply #14 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 7:57am	Print Post
	I am wondering: What are the pros and cons of doing first judge, then jailor, or the other way around?

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blackwolfe Waterworks Kobold Offline I like pie!! Posts: 108 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2011	Re: Why? Reply #15 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 9:47am	Print Post
	JDollar wrote on Jan 17^th, 2012 at 7:44am: Explain please, I haven't heard of or tried this, but I have a few cloak of curses kicking around. When the cloak of curses procs on top of another curse it used to "cancel each other out"� leaving you curse-less. At least that is way it used to work, haven't tried it lately to see if it still works.

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sweez Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 764 Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010	Re: Why? Reply #16 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 9:48am	Print Post
	aDifferentHandle wrote on Jan 17^th, 2012 at 7:57am: I am wondering: What are the pros and cons of doing first judge, then jailor, or the other way around? I think the dogs stop spawning once judge is dead?


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cdr Horoluth Raider Offline sleetstormer Posts: 2813 Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Re: Why? Reply #17 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 10:45am	Print Post
	blackwolfe wrote on Jan 17^th, 2012 at 9:47am: When the cloak of curses procs on top of another curse it used to "cancel each other out"� leaving you curse-less. At least that is way it used to work, haven't tried it lately to see if it still works. Pretty sure Cloak of Curses also procs a "remove curse" type effect - it's why you hardly ever end up cursed for long from it if you're getting hit a decent amount. Wouldn't be surprised if that effect also removed curses from other sources.


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Infraction Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 72 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2010	Re: Why? Reply #18 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 10:49am	Print Post
	why kite him at all? Take him about 10 feet from the judge and melee him or just block and hold him. He does so little damage to any DR tank. And if you have his aggro, he is an orthon, step a few feet away and all he does is stand there and shoot at you.. Then he will teleport to you and you just walk back some more...yeesh.. kite..lol much easier if everyone is just all together.
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Belwaar Shroud Slacker Offline Posts: 1017 Location: With Hordo's Mom Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Why? Reply #19 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 11:10am	Print Post
	Why does it matter? The raid is easy enough...kill them both at the same time and be done with it.

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Glenalth Puppy Farmer Offline Not banned, just bored Posts: 1602 Location: Albuquerque Joined: Sep 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Why? Reply #20 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 11:39am	Print Post
	Infraction wrote on Jan 17^th, 2012 at 10:49am: And if you have his aggro, he is an orthon, step a few feet away and all he does is stand there and shoot at you.. Then he will teleport to you and you just walk back some more...yeesh.. kite..lol That is kiting... Usually throw a ranger to just shoot at him or a caster to nuke while the rest of the party is busy. Get some HP down and relatively low risk as they can just heal themselves.


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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Why? Reply #21 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 12:57pm	Print Post
	cdr wrote on Jan 17^th, 2012 at 10:45am: Pretty sure Cloak of Curses also procs a "remove curse" type effect - it's why you hardly ever end up cursed for long from it if you're getting hit a decent amount. Wouldn't be surprised if that effect also removed curses from other sources. Yes, the end result is the only time you get cursed is when the deleterious effect (all Cursed Crypt items have one of some kind) of the Cloak of Curses procs. That effect is that on occasion when you hit stuff, you wind up cursing yourself. The positive (hidden) effect of the Cloak of Curses is you're nigh immune to getting cursed.
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ZeroBoost Titan Demolisher Offline res ipsa loquitur Posts: 381 Joined: Sep 1^st, 2010	Re: Why? Reply #22 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 1:36pm	Print Post
	Deeds wrote on Jan 16^th, 2012 at 6:11pm: Assign two arcanes or arcane and divine to dot the jailer while the rest kill judge, bard dances dogs... win. I need to join these runs.. I've never been asked to dance the dogs on my bard, usually I just end up grouped into "melee". I get bored.


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Inkblack Puppy Farmer Vault WDA Offline _,\|,, Posts: 1553 Joined: Sep 10^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Why? Reply #23 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 2:41pm	Print Post
	First run with my sorc in ToD yesterday, and I get assigned to kite the Jailor.� It was easy.� Just run around up top and DoT the hell out of him.� I think I got him to 60% before it was time to bring him down. I screwed the pooch on tanking the shadows though.� I didn't die, but the party got surprise butt sexed when I didn't grab all of the shadows' aggro.� We recovered, but it was pretty tense for a few.
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Belwaar Shroud Slacker Offline Posts: 1017 Location: With Hordo's Mom Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Why? Reply #24 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 2:51pm	Print Post
	Suprise butt sex usually is...

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