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kmack Ex Member Gender:	Madstone Boots Not Nerfed After All... Jan 27^th, 2012 at 1:35pm	Print Post
	http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?p=4281304&posted=1 Quote: The changes to Madstone Rage all began with an intention to fix the effect such that you would no longer be prevented from using items like item clickies, Incense Torches and Lesser Restoration potions. Quote: We didn't anticipate the effect this would have on characters that rely on Silver Flame potions for healing, and certainly didn't intend to proxy-nerf them. Quote: Finally, the bonuses to Strength and Constitution were changed to be Morale-type mainly because of the situation of being able to stack the on-demand clicky with the proc chance on the item. That's why the stat buffs were increased to compensate. But this does have the effect of making them not stack with many other sources of Rage-like Strength and Con buffs, so changing them to a Profane bonus is something we're considering. The clicky and proc still won't stack, but the buffs will stack with most other outside sources. To sum up: we're definitely going to change how we approach the modifications to Madstone Rage here, so please offer your thoughts on the above possibilities, and we'll come to the decision that seems to make the most sense. And thank you all for the frank feedback: this is what Lamannia is for.


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Belwaar Shroud Slacker Offline Posts: 1017 Location: With Hordo's Mom Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Madstone Boots Not Nerfed After All... Reply #1 - Jan 27^th, 2012 at 1:43pm	Print Post
	So...we're changing it back, but the proc still doesn't stack. Gay.� It's still a nerf, although it's minor in the grand scheme of things... In that case...

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cdr Horoluth Raider Offline sleetstormer Posts: 2813 Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Re: Madstone Boots Not Nerfed After All... Reply #2 - Jan 27^th, 2012 at 1:44pm	Print Post
	Does anyone at Turbine actually play the game? At least they're taking feedback now more than they were for awhile.


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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 9971 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Madstone Boots Not Nerfed After All... Reply #3 - Jan 27^th, 2012 at 1:49pm	Print Post
	yet another proof that a Single Raging Shade can make modifications happens when 100 frothing at the mouth clerics are not listened. bleh, it disgust me. Shade is not the majority of the players of DDO, ( well in that specific case he seemed to be raging like many other... )

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Belwaar Shroud Slacker Offline Posts: 1017 Location: With Hordo's Mom Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Madstone Boots Not Nerfed After All... Reply #4 - Jan 27^th, 2012 at 1:58pm	Print Post
	I know a lot of people don't like him (I'm indifferent), but this was a stupid nerf. I'm glad to see they're at least considering feedback regarding it.

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sweez Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 764 Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010	Re: Madstone Boots Not Nerfed After All... Reply #5 - Jan 27^th, 2012 at 2:37pm	Print Post
	Why are clerics frothing at the mouth? Must have missed that


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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Madstone Boots Not Nerfed After All... Reply #6 - Jan 27^th, 2012 at 2:38pm	Print Post
	Belwaar wrote on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 1:58pm: I know a lot of people don't like him (I'm indifferent), but this was a stupid nerf.� I'm glad to see they're at least considering feedback regarding it. Agreed. Can't casters cast spells now while Madstone Raging? If so, it's now a fairly minor nerf for melees and a nice buff for casters.

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ThePM Ex Member	Re: Madstone Boots Not Nerfed After All... Reply #7 - Jan 27^th, 2012 at 2:41pm	Print Post
	Flav wrote on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 1:49pm: yet another proof that a Single Raging Shade can make modifications happens when 100 frothing at the mouth clerics are not listened. bleh, it disgust me. Shade is not the majority of the players of DDO, ( well in that specific case he seemed to be raging like many other... ) True


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JDollar Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Swarthy as fuck Posts: 5380 Location: Uttering "death threats"! Joined: Jun 24^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Madstone Boots Not Nerfed After All... Reply #8 - Jan 27^th, 2012 at 2:42pm	Print Post
	fucking Shade.

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Terebinthia Horoluth Raider Offline All your cupcakes are belong to me! :D Posts: 2499 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2011	Re: Madstone Boots Not Nerfed After All... Reply #9 - Jan 27^th, 2012 at 2:44pm	Print Post
	Isn't tha Abashai set a profane boost? Hmm. Wiki thinks so: "5 Item Set Bonus: Profane Natural Armor Bonus +3, Profane Strength +3, Profane Constitution +3, Evocation Caster Level Bonus +3, Epic Conjuration Focus (none of this stacks with other profane typed bonuses except the caster level bonus)" Also that little kobold buffing dude. I sense more nerdrage incoming.


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Maxwell Edison Bailiff Offline HADOUKEN! Posts: 3142 Location: Bologna Joined: Jul 13^th, 2011	Re: Madstone Boots Not Nerfed After All... Reply #10 - Jan 27^th, 2012 at 2:44pm	Print Post
	For good or ill, I think the biggest thing that brought this change on was the mention of not being able to run torches, barrels, or teleporters when madstoned. Making a change this major though and not doing a class by class breakdown of how it will effect players before you even begin coding it is dumbfounding to me.

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Belwaar Shroud Slacker Offline Posts: 1017 Location: With Hordo's Mom Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Madstone Boots Not Nerfed After All... Reply #11 - Jan 27^th, 2012 at 2:47pm	Print Post
	That and spending dev time on something trivial to help out people who can't figure out shit for themselves. "Oh, I can't run torches while Madstoned". /recall out. Re-enter. "Madstone boots off". See how easy that was?

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Terebinthia Horoluth Raider Offline All your cupcakes are belong to me! :D Posts: 2499 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2011	Re: Madstone Boots Not Nerfed After All... Reply #12 - Jan 27^th, 2012 at 2:47pm	Print Post
	Maxwell Edison wrote on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 2:44pm: For good or ill, I think the biggest thing that brought this change on was the mention of not being able to run torches, barrels, or teleporters when madstoned.� Making a change this major though and not doing a class by class breakdown of how it will effect players before you even begin coding it is dumbfounding to me. Yeah. If this is the rationale, it's potty. Or we have 455,000 more challenges incoming. Madstone and kill stuff and get someone else to run torches, or don't madstone. It's not bloody rocket science. A self healing toon is much more useful in there anyway. shrug


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Belwaar Shroud Slacker Offline Posts: 1017 Location: With Hordo's Mom Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Madstone Boots Not Nerfed After All... Reply #13 - Jan 27^th, 2012 at 2:48pm	Print Post
	Terebinthia wrote on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 2:44pm: Isn't tha Abashai set a profane boost? Hmm. Wiki thinks so: "5 Item Set Bonus: Profane Natural Armor Bonus +3, Profane Strength +3, Profane Constitution +3, Evocation Caster Level Bonus +3, Epic Conjuration Focus (none of this stacks with other profane typed bonuses except the caster level bonus)" Also that little kobold buffing dude. I sense more nerdrage incoming. I wouldn't know...I can't pull an eChrono scroll to save my life..

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JakLee Bailiff Offline Monotremes and Money Posts: 1533 Location: Spokane Joined: Aug 4^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Madstone Boots Not Nerfed After All... Reply #14 - Jan 27^th, 2012 at 2:51pm	Print Post
	cdr wrote on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 1:44pm: Does anyone at Turbine actually play the game? At least they're taking feedback now more than they were for awhile. You know, this is something that always does suprise me. There are legitimate ideas out there, well thought out, well received, well liked, and GOOD ideas of changes from PLAYERS. Instead we get things like changes to Madstone boots..... could they have built better? yes! But they have been around so long that they are a staple AS IS. They should have left them be AS.

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Blank Ex Member	Re: Madstone Boots Not Nerfed After All... Reply #15 - Jan 27^th, 2012 at 2:53pm	Print Post
	Why not leave it as an enhancement bonus? Or whatever it is now? Or just change the coding on your stupid torches. And lesser restore pots? You can drink guild pots all the time, and they're generally cheaper than the normal ones. Fucking retards...


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Eladiun Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Two Time Loser Posts: 8398 Location: Rhode Island, USA Joined: Jun 17^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Madstone Boots Not Nerfed After All... Reply #16 - Jan 27^th, 2012 at 3:01pm	Print Post
	Belwaar wrote on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 2:47pm: That and spending dev time on something trivial to help out people who can't figure out shit for themselves. "Oh, I can't run torches while Madstoned". /recall out.� Re-enter. "Madstone boots off". See how easy that was?� OR FOR FUCK SAKE, they can fix the stupid as workaround hack code that turned everything into a spell action.� All potions used to work like guild pots until they wanted to make it so you could use them on other people then they changed them to fucking spells.� What they should have fucking done is modify the GD engine to create a new action type.� To this fucking day, anything that's an action is a fucking spell.� Clickies, pots, torches....� � FIX THE FUCKING ENGINE so it supports no spell actions.� But NO.� This is fucking Turbine and their fucking clown management.� Instead, they use fucking hack workarounds for every goddamn thing and the wonder why shit breaks or doesn't FUCKING work as expect half the fucking time.� Why constant bugs and exploits?� BECAUSE the entire fucking game is a string of GOTO statements and //HACK:� Revisit Later comments are on 75% of the function calls.
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TheSaint Korthos Resident Offline Gobbles! Posts: 60 Joined: Aug 4^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Madstone Boots Not Nerfed After All... Reply #17 - Jan 27^th, 2012 at 3:02pm	Print Post
	It's always funny as shit to be doing Ice legit and watch the person beside you get hit by the darts and their madstones go off. You just know that you've got about 5-7 seconds and you're about to be swimming in death.


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Belwaar Shroud Slacker Offline Posts: 1017 Location: With Hordo's Mom Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Madstone Boots Not Nerfed After All... Reply #18 - Jan 27^th, 2012 at 3:07pm	Print Post
	Eladiun wrote on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 3:01pm: OR FOR FUCK SAKE, they can fix the stupid as workaround hack code that turned everything into a spell action.� All potions used to work like guild pots until they wanted to make it so you could use them on other people then they changed them to fucking spells.� What they should have fucking done is modify the GD engine to create a new action type.� To this fucking day, anything that's an action is a fucking spell.� Clickies, pots, torches....� � FIX THE FUCKING ENGINE so it supports no spell actions.� But NO.� This is fucking Turbine and their fucking clown management.� Instead, they use fucking hack workarounds for every goddamn thing and the wonder why shit breaks or doesn't FUCKING work as expect half the fucking time.� Why constant bugs and exploits?� BECAUSE the entire fucking game is a string of GOTO statements and //HACK:� Revisit Later comments are on 75% of the function calls. Or that... DDO is more about learning to work around the coding than actually just playing the game.

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Maxwell Edison Bailiff Offline HADOUKEN! Posts: 3142 Location: Bologna Joined: Jul 13^th, 2011	Re: Madstone Boots Not Nerfed After All... Reply #19 - Jan 27^th, 2012 at 3:20pm	Print Post
	Eladiun wrote on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 3:01pm: OR FOR FUCK SAKE, they can fix the stupid as workaround hack code that turned everything into a spell action.� All potions used to work like guild pots until they wanted to make it so you could use them on other people then they changed them to fucking spells.� What they should have fucking done is modify the GD engine to create a new action type.� To this fucking day, anything that's an action is a fucking spell.� Clickies, pots, torches....� � FIX THE FUCKING ENGINE so it supports no spell actions.� But NO.� This is fucking Turbine and their fucking clown management.� Instead, they use fucking hack workarounds for every goddamn thing and the wonder why shit breaks or doesn't FUCKING work as expect half the fucking time.� Why constant bugs and exploits?� BECAUSE the entire fucking game is a string of GOTO statements and //HACK:� Revisit Later comments are on 75% of the function calls. Uh oh. Looks like somebody's got a case of the Mondays.

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Blank Ex Member	Re: Madstone Boots Not Nerfed After All... Reply #20 - Jan 27^th, 2012 at 3:34pm	Print Post
	That's still fucking retarded.


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Oakianus Troleplayer Offline I Really Do Love Drama! Posts: 5466 Joined: May 20^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Madstone Boots Not Nerfed After All... Reply #21 - Jan 27^th, 2012 at 3:35pm	Print Post
	Sounds pretty fucking good to me.� And I don't think that this can possibly be said to be a change just for Shade's sake.� There have been ten-thousand threads about this shit. ETA: And I'm really glad that they're considering the -2 DCs instead of the -4 stats.
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Darkrok Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1066 Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Madstone Boots Not Nerfed After All... Reply #22 - Jan 27^th, 2012 at 4:19pm	Print Post
	Eladiun wrote on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 3:01pm: OR FOR FUCK SAKE, they can fix the stupid as workaround hack code that turned everything into a spell action.� All potions used to work like guild pots until they wanted to make it so you could use them on other people then they changed them to fucking spells.� What they should have fucking done is modify the GD engine to create a new action type.� To this fucking day, anything that's an action is a fucking spell.� Clickies, pots, torches....� � FIX THE FUCKING ENGINE so it supports no spell actions.� But NO.� This is fucking Turbine and their fucking clown management.� Instead, they use fucking hack workarounds for every goddamn thing and the wonder why shit breaks or doesn't FUCKING work as expect half the fucking time.� Why constant bugs and exploits?� BECAUSE the entire fucking game is a string of GOTO statements and //HACK:� Revisit Later comments are on 75% of the function calls. I remain convinced that the reason certain bard songs don't work on robots or the rotting is because they're coded as tavern food/drinks.

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Felgor Shroud Slacker Offline Go Fuck Yourself Posts: 1011 Joined: Jun 25^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Madstone Boots Not Nerfed After All... Reply #23 - Jan 27^th, 2012 at 5:46pm	Print Post
	What I don't get is...why fucking change the boots? If you can't run torches with them on, don't fucking wear them. The amount of stupid in that reasoning blows my mind. ARGHHHH. Fuck off. ARGHHH! Now, that said, I don't use them anymore anyway, since all my toons have UMD/self healing/ac etc.

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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Madstone Boots Not Nerfed After All... Reply #24 - Jan 27^th, 2012 at 5:58pm	Print Post
	Felgor wrote on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 5:46pm: What I don't get is...why fucking change the boots? If you can't run torches with them on, don't fucking wear them. This is what I was thinking too.

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