TheSaint wrote on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 3:02pm:


Heh.  I was in asteroids on one of those type runs.  It's almost as fun listening to them on voice chat trying to figure out how not to die in about 3 seconds...

Felgor wrote on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 5:46pm:


Because it's the only piece of gear from reaver that's actually withstood the test of time, they have to be brought in line with other crap

Auran wrote on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 9:32pm:

That would be a great idea.  They should have just released the change with notes to a test server and announced it far and wide, then listened to the community and started working on changes when they realized how many people were upset by it.  That would have been a lot better than this bullshit.

They recognized it was stupid that one couldn't use items that count as 'spells' and they obviously can't trivially change a whole lot of things to not technically be spells, so they went for the next best thing.  They didn't think of SF pots and recognize they made a stupid mistake, which they're currently fixing in an open manner by discussing it with the community and taking in feedback from the player base.

I can't think of a way that they could have done this better, other than announcing it before it ever hit Lammania - but doesn't that seem pretty extreme for a change to a single item?  The enhancement system is a huge overhaul of something that every single player has no choice but to use, whereas this is a change to an item that not every player wants, let alone has.  It seems like it would be ridiculous to make a thread about this change and try to hash it out before ever even hitting Lammania. 

Considering that the rest of this update is pretty much a handjob for the players and that they're reacting so quickly to this change to the point that we'll never see it on Live, I honestly don't get the complaints.

If only we could log into http://preview.ddo.com/ maybe we could get some answers

Oakianus wrote on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 11:05pm:


Silver flame pots are only part of it, I have personally never used one myself. But what do you think happens to a monk if they lose 4 wisdom, or a paladin who loses 4 cha and 4 wisdom? Part of their reasoning in making the change was for stuff like torches, pots and clickies, but they somehow couldn't see how this would affect other melee classes?

They are fixing it, great, in record time, but the question is more why they keep putting this stuff in, in the first place. Take the madstone change out of the update, and nearly everyone is excited about it, and it goes a long way toward repairing some of the damage in the last couple of updates. (other than the complaints about Ioun stones and the change to deadly weapons)

Oakianus wrote on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 1:37am:


But... but... how else do you justify going back into content you know you're going to roflstomp with impunity unless you're a complete retard? Think of the farmers man, think of the farmers!

Auran wrote on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 2:21am:


Ooh. I like this idea. My WF FvS hates you for it, but it still sounds fair.

I think the disabling of Metamagics is a pretty good solution.

I'm still confused at the people that are arguing against an option that gives them the exact same options they had before + being able to cast at reduced efficiency when they couldn't at all before.

This gem was on the Lama forums. Sometimes, people only get what they asked for.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?&postid=4283746#post4283746

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My vote is really that they just leave the boots as is. So you have to swap them out for certain quests? Oh no, that's not at all like any other quest in DDO, where you might have to swap out your guards/weapons/etc. You can't cast spells while wearing them? That's part of the balance of them - you get one great thing for one purpose, but you give up something else. I've wanted a pair for my rogue, but I also know I wouldn't wear them all the time because sometimes I need my UMD. I assume there will come a time that I need to toss a scroll, I'll be madstoned, and I'll go "oh fuuu- *ding*" and that's okay. That's the risk you take. If the issue was really that the rages stack, they wouldn't be trying to make sure the rage is doubled to make up for it, and they would have addressed it a loooonnnngggg time ago.

This is just "hey let's make it work in challenges always!" and fucking it up. But come on. If you want to run torches, then don't wear the boots. Much simpler fix.

Eh, I don't actually die more than anyone else anymore. And there seems to be some kind of curse in which anyone in a party that teases me about probably dying will die within the next two minutes. Ask Stainer, Gawna, Oak, and Eric.