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Reply #75 - Apr 6th, 2012 at 6:33pm
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Let me state that I build my toons for endgame raids/epics. As such I'm really not sold on stunning blow, Id maybe use it for lvling but still think fascinate is better CC even without the +50% dmg. If I did take it I would definately switch it out at cap.

Quickdraw I can see the value of at endgame and I tried to fit it in but ultimately took quicken to further the versatility of my build. I wanted to be able to emergency heal, heal moderate diff 6mans and tank heal. If you are human/helf I can definately see this being a good dps feat however I am horc to synergise with THF.

  

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Reply #76 - Apr 6th, 2012 at 7:47pm
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Deeds wrote on Apr 6th, 2012 at 6:33pm:
Let me state that I build my toons for endgame raids/epics. As such I'm really not sold on stunning blow, Id maybe use it for lvling but still think fascinate is better CC even without the +50% dmg. If I did take it I would definately switch it out at cap.

Quickdraw I can see the value of at endgame and I tried to fit it in but ultimately took quicken to further the versatility of my build. I wanted to be able to emergency heal, heal moderate diff 6mans and tank heal. If you are human/helf I can definately see this being a good dps feat however I am horc to synergise with THF.



With an air/falchion and epic spare hand , getting +15 to stuns on top of your bob str as a horc, I don't see how that wouldn't be useful in epics. Fascinate, stun one, kill. Rinse repeat. 40str (easy even on my helf) would be a 40 dc stun.

I don't have the sp pool to justify quicken. Maximize and scroll healing are fine. If you need more heals, then you brought the wrong group.
  
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Reply #77 - Apr 6th, 2012 at 8:21pm
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lol I could say that if u need more CC you brought the wrong group  Wink

Dont get me wrong Im not saying my build is better just giving another perspective. I have healed most 6man epics as the only healer and secondary healed raids (tod, vod, ev6). Yer SP pool isnt great, Im at about 1200 in heal mode... staff of the petitioner, vile blasphemy, bauble, twisted talismans, conopp and torc all help a ton.
  

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Reply #78 - Apr 6th, 2012 at 8:42pm
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Deeds wrote on Apr 6th, 2012 at 8:21pm:
lol I could say that if u need more CC you brought the wrong group  Wink

Dont get me wrong Im not saying my build is better just giving another perspective. I have healed most 6man epics as the only healer and secondary healed raids (tod, vod, ev6). Yer SP pool isnt great, Im at about 1200 in heal mode... staff of the petitioner, vile blasphemy, bauble, twisted talismans, conopp and torc all help a ton.


Ha! Backup cc is always important :-

I'm only at around 700sp  myself, without dumping cha. Then again, my gear is pretty meh.
  
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Reply #79 - Apr 6th, 2012 at 11:48pm
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ugh, that's what I TR'd out of and, yes, shamefully, I got it from where you're hinting at.

I do have a question, though, on the 16/2/2 (w/ftr & rog) approach does taking spellsinger work while taking THF and related combat feats? I might try it out just to see as I won't necessarily leave that toon at 20 for terrilbly long.


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Reply #80 - Apr 7th, 2012 at 12:46am
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Gunga wrote on Apr 6th, 2012 at 11:48pm:
It's not leslie's build. It's mine. I was going to post up my human 2 hand version of Boomph when he begged me if he could publish it. tru stori


I loved the Boomph build. But 14 bard gets max song for anything other than WC, 4 ftr is Weapon Specialization, 2 rogue with Pally Dilly is a 35+ reflex save Evasion.

As far as I know, no one else had put up a build based on 14 Bard lvls before.
  
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Reply #81 - Apr 7th, 2012 at 9:44am
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I loved the Boomph build. But 14 bard gets max song for anything other than WC, 4 ftr is Weapon Specialization, 2 rogue with Pally Dilly is a 35+ reflex save Evasion.

As far as I know, no one else had put up a build based on 14 Bard lvls before.


That's a cool take on it. I tried 15/3/2 Bard/Rogue/fighter. That was pretty fun too.
  

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Reply #82 - Apr 7th, 2012 at 2:36pm
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Gunga wrote on Apr 7th, 2012 at 9:44am:
That's a cool take on it. I tried 15/3/2 Bard/Rogue/fighter. That was pretty fun too.


Right now, War is a 16/2/2. I'm looking at it this way. When motu comes out, there will be a huge scramble to get as much info on the the pres and new shit as possible. A lot of folks will tr into something that they think is suddenly more optimal than before.

To avoid much of this, I'm slowly turning all of my toons into humans. This will allow me to test all of the racial pres and determine their value/use. Also, it means the T3 pres were missing will be out. War is at a point that I like her at. If I decide that 18/2 or pure is a better fit for her, then I can LR+3 her real quick and get to what I want. Or I can go back to 14/4/2 just as easy.
  
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Reply #83 - Apr 9th, 2012 at 8:41am
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Gunga wrote on Apr 6th, 2012 at 11:48pm:
It's not leslie's build. It's mine. I was going to post up my human 2 hand version of Boomph when he begged me if he could publish it. tru stori


So far I'm liking the 2 rogue over the 2 barb on this life. I like being able to get traps and I completely underused rage and sprint on the first life. In shroud I was hitting 530 hp while raged (didn't have crazy gear), but depending on healers rather than scroll healing myself saw me dead more often than I cared to be in part 4.

What I do like about the bard in general is how underestimated they are in basic PuGs. I also like running LFMs where I'm not waiting for a healer showing newer players that waiting around for a healer (most recently redwillow) is a waste of time.
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What I do like about the bard in general is how underestimated they are in basic PuGs. I also like running LFMs where I'm not waiting for a healer showing newer players that waiting around for a healer (most recently redwillow) is a waste of time.


Next, do it with a Fighter and show them how underrated CSW pots are.
  
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Reply #85 - Apr 9th, 2012 at 3:50pm
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Next, do it with a Fighter and show them how underrated CSW pots are.


If I TR my 18/2 ftr/rog back into a fighter I will.
  
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Reply #86 - Apr 9th, 2012 at 4:04pm
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Gawna is a dwarf WC bard and I lubs her.  She is so much fun to play and can deal out good damage as well as CC and backup hjeal; I really love the versatility that comes with a bard.
  
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Reply #87 - Apr 9th, 2012 at 4:26pm
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Me too, as long as someone else is playing em.
  

                                                                      
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Reply #88 - Apr 9th, 2012 at 6:58pm
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So far I'm liking the 2 rogue over the 2 barb on this life. I like being able to get traps and I completely underused rage and sprint on the first life. In shroud I was hitting 530 hp while raged (didn't have crazy gear), but depending on healers rather than scroll healing myself saw me dead more often than I cared to be in part 4.

What I do like about the bard in general is how underestimated they are in basic PuGs. I also like running LFMs where I'm not waiting for a healer showing newer players that waiting around for a healer (most recently redwillow) is a waste of time.


I don't even have rage on my bar.

But NOTHING BEATS SPRINT BOOST. Nothing.
  

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Reply #89 - Apr 9th, 2012 at 7:33pm
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Gunga wrote on Apr 9th, 2012 at 6:58pm:
I don't even have rage on my bar.

But NOTHING BEATS SPRINT BOOST. Nothing.


It was tough to lose Sprint boost for evasion, but I think somehow I'll manage.
  
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Reply #90 - Apr 9th, 2012 at 8:07pm
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It was tough to lose Sprint boost for evasion, but I think somehow I'll manage.


Amateur.
  

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Reply #93 - Apr 10th, 2012 at 12:27am
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Gunga wrote on Apr 9th, 2012 at 10:00pm:
Ding.


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Reply #94 - Apr 11th, 2012 at 2:26pm
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Gunga wrote on Apr 6th, 2012 at 11:48pm:
It's not leslie's build. It's mine. I was going to post up my human 2 hand version of Boomph when he begged me if he could publish it. tru stori


Gunga wrote on Apr 9th, 2012 at 6:58pm:
I don't even have rage on my bar.


Now wait a minute here.  I rolled a Ghengis build (one of my most versatile builds, if not the most) after rolling your wf bullcrap build (it sucked). You clearly are the fake.  you obviously dont know what you are talking about, in your own thread, here or anywhere else, and say anything u want about leslie he/she knows bards and unlike you, knows why he took what he took.  He supports his builds.  Besides showing your epeen in your thread, you really offered no explanation -  you explained yourself in the thread you have none of the gear and i believe you said a friend built the build for you.  You had no idea why "your build" had potential (and no its wasnt sprint boost) nor why it sucked (non casting wf without umd, hello?), you just had no idea why you took what you did.

Now you say you didnt have Rage on your bar!!???? on a 2 barbarian splash bard??? lol you idiot! (No way you could have ever gotten the hp you claimed - or anywhere near it - with or without gear - without raging into that laughable incredible hulk "ghettoblaster" epeen fantasy you'd like us to believe.  16/2/2 bard/Ghengis is not your build, its Leslie's. read either thread and it will be obvious who knows their shit and whos full of it. what could he/she possibly learn from you?? You are a hack sir.
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Reply #95 - Apr 11th, 2012 at 2:53pm
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My bard Gustavi has been around for 3 years. How old is that Ghengis crap? I just can't be bothered to post my builds up on the forum, and I don't bother reading them for the most part. Someone claiming to "invent" a build is fucking stupid. There are probably 100 other people with the exact same build idea that don't post on the forums or don't care to help people who can't make their own builds.
  
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Reply #96 - Apr 11th, 2012 at 3:32pm
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rest wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 2:53pm:
Someone claiming to "invent" a build is fucking stupid. There are probably 100 other people with the exact same build idea that don't post on the forums or don't care to help people who can't make their own builds.



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Wezergistan wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 2:26pm:
Now wait a minute here.  I rolled a Ghengis build (one of my most versatile builds, if not the most) after rolling your wf bullcrap build (it sucked). You clearly are the fake.  you obviously dont know what you are talking about, in your own thread, here or anywhere else, and say anything u want about leslie he/she knows bards and unlike you, knows why he took what he took.  He supports his builds.  Besides showing your epeen in your thread, you really offered no explanation -  you explained yourself in the thread you have none of the gear and i believe you said a friend built the build for you.  You had no idea why "your build" had potential (and no its wasnt sprint boost) nor why it sucked (non casting wf without umd, hello?), you just had no idea why you took what you did.

Now you say you didnt have Rage on your bar!!???? on a 2 barbarian splash bard??? lol you idiot! (No way you could have ever gotten the hp you claimed - or anywhere near it - with or without gear - without raging into that laughable incredible hulk "ghettoblaster" epeen fantasy you'd like us to believe.  16/2/2 bard/Ghengis is not your build, its Leslie's. read either thread and it will be obvious who knows their shit and whos full of it. what could he/she possibly learn from you?? You are a hack sir.

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Reply #98 - Apr 11th, 2012 at 4:57pm
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Wezergistan wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 2:26pm:
16/2/2 bard/Ghengis is not your build, its Leslie's. read either thread and it will be obvious who knows their shit and whos full of it. what could he/she possibly learn from you?? You are a hack sir.


Oh, Leslie came back.
  
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Reply #99 - Apr 11th, 2012 at 5:45pm
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Wezergistan wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 2:26pm:
Now wait a minute here.  I rolled a Ghengis build (one of my most versatile builds, if not the most) after rolling your wf bullcrap build (it sucked). You clearly are the fake.  you obviously dont know what you are talking about, in your own thread, here or anywhere else, and say anything u want about leslie he/she knows bards and unlike you, knows why he took what he took.  He supports his builds.  Besides showing your epeen in your thread, you really offered no explanation -  you explained yourself in the thread you have none of the gear and i believe you said a friend built the build for you.  You had no idea why "your build" had potential (and no its wasnt sprint boost) nor why it sucked (non casting wf without umd, hello?), you just had no idea why you took what you did.

Now you say you didnt have Rage on your bar!!???? on a 2 barbarian splash bard??? lol you idiot! (No way you could have ever gotten the hp you claimed - or anywhere near it - with or without gear - without raging into that laughable incredible hulk "ghettoblaster" epeen fantasy you'd like us to believe.  16/2/2 bard/Ghengis is not your build, its Leslie's. read either thread and it will be obvious who knows their shit and whos full of it. what could he/she possibly learn from you?? You are a hack sir.


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