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Terebinthia Horoluth Raider Offline All your cupcakes are belong to me! :D Posts: 2499 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2011	Orien culture and Over Raided Mar 27^th, 2012 at 6:59am	Print Post
	Smorgasbord of drama, jokes, some quite interesting insights into Orien culture. Have a read before it's sanitised. http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=367048 We don't have many of the Orien folks on here, do we?


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sweez Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 764 Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010	Re: Orien culture and Over Raided Reply #1 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 8:02am	Print Post
	If we have even one, he still represents 20% of Orien anyway


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Feynman Epic Poster Offline I regret nothing! Posts: 4299 Joined: Sep 9^th, 2011	Re: Orien culture and Over Raided Reply #2 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 10:26am	Print Post
	I moved to Orien when it came out; I had been on Cannith for a while, after I left Khyber. I have a TR monk there I left because of guilds like Over Raided, who seem like they would be all right guys, with a humorous name like that, but are, in fact, royal jackasses. It wasn't so much the loot as it was getting into their groups at all; if you weren't one of the "approved" builds or pure, they would decline your request to join out of hand, and their attitude spread to any other guild that wanted to be L33T like them.

	"Science makes godlike -- it is all over with priests and gods when man becomes scientific. Moral: science is the forbidden as such -- it alone is forbidden. Science is the first sin, the original sin. This alone is morality. ``Thou shalt not know'' -- the rest follows." -- Friedrich Nietzsche
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Slug Shroud Slacker Offline Posts: 1061 Joined: Feb 19^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Orien culture and Over Raided Reply #3 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 10:42am	Print Post
	I play on Orien and I've only been in a party with someone in Over Raided once, seemed like an alright person, no arrogance or anything. I almost never see them group with people outside their� guild (I guess you could read into that as being elitist jerks, but I don't). But since I never see them grief people, put anyone down, or otherwise jerk people around, they don't bother me. And there are a lot of people that do piss me off.
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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Orien culture and Over Raided Reply #4 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 11:36am	Print Post
	it is unrealistic to expect people in pugs to follow the same loot-rules as a small tight-knit guild. Everybody needs shit, nobody's needs are more important than anyone else's.


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Eladiun Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Two Time Loser Posts: 8398 Location: Rhode Island, USA Joined: Jun 17^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Orien culture and Over Raided Reply #5 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 11:44am	Print Post
	Feynman wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 10:26am: It wasn't so much the loot as it was getting into their groups at all; if you weren't one of the "approved" builds or pure, they would decline your request to join out of hand, and their attitude spread to any other guild that wanted to be L33T like them. Ummm... so they should just take any old gimp in their groups out of charity? Like this one... http://my.ddo.com/character/khyber/bendmybow/ or... http://my.ddo.com/character/orien/osmiridium/

	Nevynn wrote on Nov 18^th, 2010 at 11:38pm: Anybody coming to this board expecting anything more sophisticated than a dick joke had better get used to disappointment. Calvet wrote on Oct 20^th, 2011 at 12:18pm: I just got that impression after you spent 13 pages calling out eladiun for being an interwebs bully when anyone who's been posting on here already knew that.� I mean, he's proud of it and hardly tries to hide that at all. Quote: Eladiun is an awful person
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Kimberlite Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1074 Joined: Aug 30^th, 2010	Re: Orien culture and Over Raided Reply #6 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 11:57am	Print Post
	I've never really had a problem with them - their evening shroud speed runs are the fastest completions available for puggers on the server. Here are my observations on OR. They're not joking about efficiency and valuing their time. They don't pug much, but I've hit a few of normal shrouds which get posted by OR members after their nightly raids. On a slow day, there might be 5 minutes between the LFM going up and hitting the first portal. If you're the last to join, you have time to hit the nearest airship navigator to Meridia and still get inside before you're locked out, but not a minute more. From everything I have seen, OR is a guild that is serious about optimizing their play in order to maximize their achievements and gear. They're hard-core powergamers. It isn't a secret. I've seen Selina spend a lot of time in the harbour on her sorc during Risia, helping others with buffs (Vengeance777 in the thread, post in top of page 4). I've also seen idiots slagging her and her guild in general chat while she does that. They mostly keep to themselves, although they'll leave their LFM up with just "OR" in the info block for much of the evening. That can be annoying since guild chat exists for a reason, but several of the end-game guilds on Orien do that kind of thing. Last night , six of the eleven people in their guild raid group were anonymous. That is a very high ratio compared with any other guild-only LFM I have seen, and it says one of two things to me (or a bit of both) - they are either harassed, or else they don't want any interaction with anyone else on the server. It seems that Keybreaker would love to see all of Orien work together as well and as efficiently as his guild does internally. It is good to have dreams, but internet forums are places where dreams tend to get brutally murdered.

	Memnir wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 10:59am: Note to any Turbine staffers reading this, and one I genuinely hope you share around the office: DDO has become a shit game because y'all have made it a shit game. Once it was great. Now, it's a festering puddle of monkey diarrhea. No matter how you try to justify it, or pat yourselves on the back for doing great jobs... it's a shit game now because of you. Y'all keep on giving the players the middle finger, and you keep expecting us to reward you for the abuse. I've had it with you narcissistic fuckwads and your myopic policies of ineptitude.
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Feynman Epic Poster Offline I regret nothing! Posts: 4299 Joined: Sep 9^th, 2011	Re: Orien culture and Over Raided Reply #7 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 11:58am	Print Post
	Eladiun wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 11:44am: Ummm...� so they should just take any old gimp in their groups out of charity? Like this one... http://my.ddo.com/character/khyber/bendmybow/ or... http://my.ddo.com/character/orien/osmiridium/ Oh come on, I haven't played either of those characters in years, you can't judge them by modern standards. Osmiridium would look like this today: http://my.ddo.com/character/thelanis/handsmith/ And the new bendmybow is simply insane: http://my.ddo.com/character/thelanis/bendmybow/ Egads, I haven't played on Khyber since 2009.
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	"Science makes godlike -- it is all over with priests and gods when man becomes scientific. Moral: science is the forbidden as such -- it alone is forbidden. Science is the first sin, the original sin. This alone is morality. ``Thou shalt not know'' -- the rest follows." -- Friedrich Nietzsche
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Oakianus Troleplayer Offline I Really Do Love Drama! Posts: 5466 Joined: May 20^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Orien culture and Over Raided Reply #8 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 12:08pm	Print Post
	Sounds like a bunch of pathetic whining and "Them was the good ol' days" and taking an edge case as some sort of representative case in order to fuel one's warped perceptions if you ask me. The idea that no one on Orien wouldn't take an LDS that was handed to them after they passed a shard over sounds pretty fucking unlikely.


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Kimberlite Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1074 Joined: Aug 30^th, 2010	Re: Orien culture and Over Raided Reply #9 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 12:13pm	Print Post
	Oakianus wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 12:08pm: The idea that no one on Orien wouldn't take an LDS that was handed to them after they passed a shard over sounds pretty fucking unlikely. Shards get passed freely in every run. It is the norm. I cannot recall ever hearing of one being sold on Orien.

	Memnir wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 10:59am: Note to any Turbine staffers reading this, and one I genuinely hope you share around the office: DDO has become a shit game because y'all have made it a shit game. Once it was great. Now, it's a festering puddle of monkey diarrhea. No matter how you try to justify it, or pat yourselves on the back for doing great jobs... it's a shit game now because of you. Y'all keep on giving the players the middle finger, and you keep expecting us to reward you for the abuse. I've had it with you narcissistic fuckwads and your myopic policies of ineptitude.
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Oakianus Troleplayer Offline I Really Do Love Drama! Posts: 5466 Joined: May 20^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Orien culture and Over Raided Reply #10 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 12:21pm	Print Post
	Kimberlite wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 12:13pm: Shards get passed freely in every run. It is the norm. I cannot recall ever hearing of one being sold on Orien. I can't recall ever hearing of one being bought anywhere, but it was a pretty edge case. The guy wasn't selling, he was doing what virtually anyone would do - giving a shard to someone who was desperate for a shard without expecting anything back in return. When he got something in return that he didn't think he was going to get, however, he took the money and ran. Which I'd imagine the majority of people who aren't already sitting on a large pile of in-game wealth would be likely to do.


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stainer Arkat's Bitch Offline Gawna's big sexy crony! Posts: 12345 Location: gawna's nuts Joined: Jan 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Orien culture and Over Raided Reply #11 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 12:26pm	Print Post
	Oakianus wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 12:21pm: Which I'd imagine the majority of people who aren't already sitting on a large pile of in-game wealth would be likely to do. I agree with you. If the guy couldn't afford to give the LDS, he wouldn't. There are people in game that are sitting on 30+ LDS and think nothing of giving/trading them away.

	Nilazgrc: For all those familiar with loreseekers/sentinels.... Dont run with Stainer.... Guy is a tool. Black list his toons. kmack can drive the tractor. The Vault donates to charity. JDollar wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 4:47pm: Stainer likes tractors
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Maxwell Edison Bailiff Offline HADOUKEN! Posts: 3142 Location: Bologna Joined: Jul 13^th, 2011	Re: Orien culture and Over Raided Reply #12 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 12:41pm	Print Post
	stainer wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 12:26pm: I agree with you.

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Oakianus Troleplayer Offline I Really Do Love Drama! Posts: 5466 Joined: May 20^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Orien culture and Over Raided Reply #13 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 12:51pm	Print Post
	Maxwell Edison wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 12:41pm: http://images.sodahead.com/polls/001563859/1456733067_cute_snuggle_train_mass_hy... This is officially my new favorite Ghostbusters reference. ETA: And the biggest thing about that 'transaction' is that's the shit that I've seen a hundred times. Even without offering anything up for it, the first person to bitch loudly about needing any given shard is likely to get it, even if there's someone else who needs it who hasn't spoken up. No one wants to sit around and wait for shards to get rolled on and passed, so people tend to just say "Hey, so-and-so needed a shard, right? Here you go, buddy." I definitely don't think that story sounds anything like someone rushing to get themselves an LDS, at least. �
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Feynman Epic Poster Offline I regret nothing! Posts: 4299 Joined: Sep 9^th, 2011	Re: Orien culture and Over Raided Reply #14 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 2:01pm	Print Post
	Kimberlite wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 12:13pm: Shards get passed freely in every run. It is the norm. I cannot recall ever hearing of one being sold on Orien. I typically pass them to someone random and let them deal with it.

	"Science makes godlike -- it is all over with priests and gods when man becomes scientific. Moral: science is the forbidden as such -- it alone is forbidden. Science is the first sin, the original sin. This alone is morality. ``Thou shalt not know'' -- the rest follows." -- Friedrich Nietzsche
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Ironical the Bionicle Waterworks Kobold Offline RAGE! Posts: 109 Joined: Jun 10^th, 2011	Re: Orien culture and Over Raided Reply #15 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 4:22pm	Print Post
	Keybreaker, sig says Paladin (12pal/6ftr/2mnk), but is he good guy or dick?? Quote: http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=4380582&postcount=83 Quote: Originally Posted by Khimberlhyte View Post That Keybreaker guy. He's a roleplayer too. I cannot believe you haven't noticed. Yes, watch me roleplay a sarcastic jerk. Quote: Originally Posted by mroks28 View Post I know a few OR members and i get along with most of them but there are some i just hate... I won a roll on an encrusted ring and he gives it to the person who came in second on the roll and stated that i was a waste of his time although i lead the raid with minimal trouble. One other problem i had with OR members is when i allowed two of them in a run i was doing with 4 of my guild mates and we stated at the start we needed the bracers of the claw shard and it dropped to one of them and he looted it saying too bad and he needed it for his 4th toon that wanted it. Wut? Sorry, my loot is your loot. Quote: Originally Posted by Khimberlhyte View Post I'm pretty sure that some dead guys named Marx and Engels wrote a book about the fantasy you seem to have... But hey, keep living the dream, Comrade. Sorry, Communism BAD, Capitalism GOOD. Might makes RIGHT. Survival of the FITTEST, and NO ONE else!!! GRRR... I see RED. RED! Quote: Originally Posted by deahamlet View Post YOU... YOU... YOU... Maybe you SHOULD PUG more often. So you can learn what it means to group with strangers... I was starting to think all the gossipy stuff I heard about OR was nothing but crazy wild exaggeration and maybe tad jealousy. I managed to have no issues overlooking the bad in my experiences with OR in favour of the positives, but posts like these just leave me with a bitter taste and wondering maybe I should check if someone from OR is in a raid group before I join. Yes please. Also, ME... ME... MEEE... I obviously have no idea what it's like to PuG. I've only led HUNDREDS of PuG raids on Orien. Where do I get off not leading as many PuG raids as I used to??? Surely my own gameplay should never evolve. Apologies domina. Quote: Originally Posted by EbbOnFire View Post I haven't bothered to learn the specifics of alchemical crafting other than scanning over the wiki a few times, because it's just not that relevant. I'm not going to be crafting any of those items, pretty much ever. So if I were one of those newcomers that you mentioned, then I would most definitely loot everything that came up in my name. First, because I'd have no idea when I might see it again. Second, because I'd have little clue of how valuable it was without having to tab out and read up on the wiki. Better safe than sorry -- throw it in the bag and read up on it later, don't make everyone wait around. That particular widget might never get to serve any useful purpose, other than as a souvenir. ??? Quote: http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=4380582&postcount=83 But one attitude that completely baffles me is this one (forgive my unfair, mongrelized caricaturization): I can't get into many endgame raids, so I'm going to take everything I can get whenever I can get it. Unless I absolutely can never conceivably use it, I will loot mine and roll on yours. I can't be bothered to look up DDOWiki and plan out what I need - that's tedious and boring; so if in doubt, I'll just take everything. I wish endgame guilds wouldn't be so elitist and open up their raids to the rest of us! If the tables were turned, and you were the members of the elite guild - if you were the ones who dedicated time, resources, research, and experiment to build/gear/explore for the endgame raids, would you be eager to take a PuG or several PuGs even remotely resembling the above? Alls I know fo' sho' is Stainer's only post in that thread is weaksauce. and there are a lot of bitching bitches on Orion.


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popejubal Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline fnord Posts: 6364 Location: Argo Joined: Aug 6^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Orien culture and Over Raided Reply #16 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 4:33pm	Print Post
	I am enjoying that high quality thread. Thanks for the link.

	fnord
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Kimberlite Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1074 Joined: Aug 30^th, 2010	Re: Orien culture and Over Raided Reply #17 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 4:38pm	Print Post
	Ironical the Bionicle wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 4:22pm: Keybreaker, sig says Paladin (12pal/6ftr/2mnk), but is he good guy or dick?? Alls I know fo' sho' is Stainer's only post in that thread is weaksauce.� and there are a lot of bitching bitches on Orion. Hi. Who are you, and why should we value your opinion in any way?

	Memnir wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 10:59am: Note to any Turbine staffers reading this, and one I genuinely hope you share around the office: DDO has become a shit game because y'all have made it a shit game. Once it was great. Now, it's a festering puddle of monkey diarrhea. No matter how you try to justify it, or pat yourselves on the back for doing great jobs... it's a shit game now because of you. Y'all keep on giving the players the middle finger, and you keep expecting us to reward you for the abuse. I've had it with you narcissistic fuckwads and your myopic policies of ineptitude.
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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Orien culture and Over Raided Reply #18 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 5:13pm	Print Post
	Kimberlite wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 4:38pm: Hi. Who are you, and why should we value your opinion in any way? Someone who butthurt over stainers weaksauce post. I thought that was obvious. Then again, that might be why you didn't mention it.

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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stainer Arkat's Bitch Offline Gawna's big sexy crony! Posts: 12345 Location: gawna's nuts Joined: Jan 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Orien culture and Over Raided Reply #19 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 5:28pm	Print Post
	Epoch wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 5:13pm: Someone who butthurt over stainers weaksauce post.� I thought that was obvious.� Then again, that might be why you didn't mention it. I am trying to figure out why it was weaksauce... I was asking a genuine question.

	Nilazgrc: For all those familiar with loreseekers/sentinels.... Dont run with Stainer.... Guy is a tool. Black list his toons. kmack can drive the tractor. The Vault donates to charity. JDollar wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 4:47pm: Stainer likes tractors
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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Orien culture and Over Raided Reply #20 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 5:34pm	Print Post
	stainer wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 5:28pm: I am trying to figure out why it was weaksauce... I was asking a genuine question. I am sure he took it offensively and thought that making him butthurt was your plan all along. He isn't butthurt though, because the post is weaksauce, therefore, worth mentioning so everyone knows he isn't butthurt.

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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stainer Arkat's Bitch Offline Gawna's big sexy crony! Posts: 12345 Location: gawna's nuts Joined: Jan 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Orien culture and Over Raided Reply #21 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 5:35pm	Print Post
	Epoch wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 5:34pm: I am sure he took it offensively and thought that making him butthurt was your plan all along.� He isn't butthurt though, because the post is weaksauce, therefore, worth mentioning so everyone knows he isn't butthurt. Oh.

	Nilazgrc: For all those familiar with loreseekers/sentinels.... Dont run with Stainer.... Guy is a tool. Black list his toons. kmack can drive the tractor. The Vault donates to charity. JDollar wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 4:47pm: Stainer likes tractors
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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Orien culture and Over Raided Reply #22 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 5:40pm	Print Post
	stainer wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 5:35pm: Oh. I am an internet psychologist, I know these things.

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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stainer Arkat's Bitch Offline Gawna's big sexy crony! Posts: 12345 Location: gawna's nuts Joined: Jan 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Orien culture and Over Raided Reply #23 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 5:42pm	Print Post
	Epoch wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 5:40pm: I am an internet psychologist, I know these things. Nice! Do I owe you money?

	Nilazgrc: For all those familiar with loreseekers/sentinels.... Dont run with Stainer.... Guy is a tool. Black list his toons. kmack can drive the tractor. The Vault donates to charity. JDollar wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 4:47pm: Stainer likes tractors
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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Orien culture and Over Raided Reply #24 - Mar 27^th, 2012 at 5:45pm	Print Post
	stainer wrote on Mar 27^th, 2012 at 5:42pm: Nice! Do I owe you money? I always do the first one free.

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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