Epoch wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 9:40am:


Dreamler has a gargantuan bag, because as a monk, she zoomed around and picks everything up. Then I realized that it was BtC and I had a sad.

Carpone wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2012 at 8:06pm:



Poor use of source control is the ONLY explanation for why old bugs keep cropping up weeks and months later in slightly different formats.

What's honestly most likely is that they're still pretending it's 1999 and using MS's Visual Sourcesafe.

Someone should really hand them a nice primer like this that discusses the basic concepts behind REAL version control instead of the crap from the 90's that hasn't been updated architecturally to perform modern version control properly.

Merrick wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 12:04pm:


SVN? Real version control? Ahahahahaha.

Also, they're a game development company. I'd put money on them using Perforce.

And the product you use doesn't matter so much as the process. It's Turbine's process that's broken. They have no control over what gets into a particular build. I'd also put money on the bag bug being part of some dev's half-implemented redo of the bag code.

cdr wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 1:00pm:


Yeah, I wasn't recommending subversion so much as saying that unlike VSS it mostly follows the "more modern" principles adopted mostly programmer-industry-wide over a decade ago. In sourcesafe for example, you can't really make a proper merge while having two different people working on sections of code. It's lock-based and deletions of any kind well and truly fuck up the database, as does any sort of file renaming. If you want to work on both, say, an expansion and a patch at the same time you're left with using separate projects, which means copying files BETWEEN projects, which means NO record of what the fuck happened file history-wise in anything but the original project, which would really explain the sorts of problems Turbine has regularly.

They could very well be using Perforce or even something else but the basic "only one local copy allowed/merging is fraught with major problems" inherent in VSS *would* explain a lot, especially Maj. Mal's post.

stainer wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 9:32am:


That's a smart way of doing things.  As it is right now, each of my Shroud'd characters has a GS mats bag, Epic-age at some point have another bag full of epic mess, etc.

I need to shift my stuff some, and keep all of the BtA mess in the bank, easily accessible by all characters.

Thanks, Dirty Uncle Stainer! 

rest wrote on Apr 4^th, 2012 at 1:01pm:


Yup, people are morons.

QA has done a piss poor job under him.  Exploits in patch after patch is insane.

To bad most people do not realize that despite him acting like he manages the content developers he is not a content developer and is QA.

I think if people understood that alot of what he talks about he has no say in people would be alot less forgiving when things which actually do involve his department are done poorly or given answers that amount to we are not going to do our job well.