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Infant Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 215 Joined: Mar 8^th, 2011	Monk DPS: stance? Apr 10^th, 2012 at 9:38am	Print Post
	I posted this question on the forums, but since we have few monk players here, I would like to hear your opinion. Assuming being 100% hasted and not tanking, which stance do you prefer for DPS on your monk and why? Infant


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Belwaar Shroud Slacker Offline Posts: 1017 Location: With Hordo's Mom Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Monk DPS: stance? Reply #1 - Apr 10^th, 2012 at 9:39am	Print Post
	Earth because of the damage reduction, the extra die step from Jidz, the extra hp. I'm sure there are other reasons but I'm in earth stance unless in a raid where there's a tank, in which case I switch to another stance.
	« Last Edit: Apr 10^th, 2012 at 9:41am by Belwaar »
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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Monk DPS: stance? Reply #2 - Apr 10^th, 2012 at 9:41am	Print Post
	Dps, fire. Tanking, earth.

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Maxwell Edison Bailiff Offline HADOUKEN! Posts: 3142 Location: Bologna Joined: Jul 13^th, 2011	Re: Monk DPS: stance? Reply #3 - Apr 10^th, 2012 at 9:45am	Print Post
	My monk is healing amp focused so I spend the majority of the time in fire for the self healing, I do switch to earth when crits are more desirable or wind sometimes if I'm using something with a proc rate for the doublestrike. Water is only there for running through traps and refilling ki while waiting for others. So for me Fire>Earth>Wind>Water>Heart

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popejubal Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline fnord Posts: 6364 Location: Argo Joined: Aug 6^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Monk DPS: stance? Reply #4 - Apr 10^th, 2012 at 10:02am	Print Post
	The DR on Earth is helpful in avoiding damage and then the faster healing in Fire is helpful for topping off when I have time to heal up. My monk has the same attitude toward DPS that my FvS has. I'm less concerned about raw DPS and more concerned about doing enough DPS to get through the quest at a reasonable rate while reducing my resource consumption to a reasonable level. My Fighter and my Wizard are both more concerned with raw killing power, but I take them in different quests than I take my FvS and my Monk.

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someguy Titan Demolisher Offline not really a drama fan Posts: 390 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2011	Re: Monk DPS: stance? Reply #5 - Apr 10^th, 2012 at 10:11am	Print Post
	Maxwell Edison wrote on Apr 10^th, 2012 at 9:45am: So for me Fire>Earth>Wind>Water>Heart you're my hero. please take pollution down to zero


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Tobril Honourary Australian Offline Hi Welcome Posts: 744 Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010	Re: Monk DPS: stance? Reply #6 - Apr 10^th, 2012 at 10:40am	Print Post
	Epoch wrote on Apr 10^th, 2012 at 9:41am: Dps, fire.� Tanking, earth. This. Ki strikes are costly and monk to-hit sucks. Edit - Wind for 6-man epics and challenges, because convincing my arcane peeps to cast haste is like pulling teeth.
	« Last Edit: Apr 10^th, 2012 at 10:44am by Tobril »

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Xirek Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 11 Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010	Re: Monk DPS: stance? Reply #7 - Apr 10^th, 2012 at 11:38am	Print Post
	Wind stance is the best dps, if you have the gear for ki generation and to hit, followed by earth. if you are lacking the gear fire stance is the best.


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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Monk DPS: stance? Reply #8 - Apr 10^th, 2012 at 2:15pm	Print Post
	Xirek wrote on Apr 10^th, 2012 at 11:38am: Wind stance is the best dps, if you have the gear for ki generation and to hit, followed by earth. if you are lacking the gear fire stance is the best. This is my view. I love the extra 10% Doublestrike Air-stanced Monks get. The thing about Air-stanced Monks is you MUST give them HIGH strengths (start with a 16 MINIMUM, prefer 17 or 18) in order to have good to-hits AND to take advantage of that 10% Doublestrike by doing a lot of damage when that Doublestrike triggers. Fire is a good choice too because of the extra strength and Ki you get. I tried Fire stance on my Light Monk for a while but I wound up hating it because I always felt like I was WAY slower than I probably actually was. Air stance has always felt "better" to me. My Dark Monk has the Epic Jidz-Tet'ka and so is always in Earth stance. She's a hell of a tanker but I still don't play her much because of what I perceive as "attack slowness."
	« Last Edit: Apr 10^th, 2012 at 2:16pm by Arkat »
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Aqualung Ex Member	Re: Monk DPS: stance? Reply #9 - Apr 10^th, 2012 at 2:26pm	Print Post
	I am in the wind stance group. I rarely come out of it. I just started my monks' 3rd TR. At level 20 on second life I had 489 HP, 72 standing AC, 32 dex, 36 wis and used wep finesse and GTWF. Using SS clickies, I could tank most bosses with minimal healing using FoL and maintained a pretty consistant DPS with the speed of attack and double strike procs and rarely missed. I know dex/wis builds are not the optimal, but it works well for me.


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Blank Ex Member	Re: Monk DPS: stance? Reply #10 - Apr 10^th, 2012 at 2:27pm	Print Post
	Xirek wrote on Apr 10^th, 2012 at 11:38am: Wind stance is the best dps, if you have the gear for ki generation and to hit, followed by earth. if you are lacking the gear fire stance is the best. This is how Dukkha is set up.


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Lousypher Korthos Resident Offline Delusions of Grandeur Posts: 17 Joined: Feb 20^th, 2012	Re: Monk DPS: stance? Reply #11 - Apr 10^th, 2012 at 3:21pm	Print Post
	Wind Stance by far.� Then a toss up between Earth and Fire.� I love the idea of Damage Reduction and increase crit dmg but the threat generation is a massive dps loss for a monk with Sneak Attack or a low To-Hit that requires Flanking. 3d6 Helf Sneak Attack +3d6 Ninja Spy +8 Sneak attack item +5 Exc Sneak attack item = 34 Average Sneak attack per punch +25% Damage Boost = 42.5 Average Sneak attack per Punch with Versatility. My monk wont be in earth stance if Wind is a choice with all that damage... and with Ninja Spy 3 being out soon.


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Samius Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 11 Joined: Sep 7^th, 2010	Re: Monk DPS: stance? Reply #12 - Apr 10^th, 2012 at 3:23pm	Print Post
	Tobril wrote on Apr 10^th, 2012 at 10:40am: Edit - Wind for 6-man epics and challenges, because convincing my arcane peeps to cast haste is like pulling teeth. Whats haste? that stuff that comes in a pot? Edit- Are there stances other then Earth? Weird..
	« Last Edit: Apr 10^th, 2012 at 3:24pm by Samius »

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Maxwell Edison Bailiff Offline HADOUKEN! Posts: 3142 Location: Bologna Joined: Jul 13^th, 2011	Re: Monk DPS: stance? Reply #13 - Apr 10^th, 2012 at 3:25pm	Print Post
	Lousypher wrote on Apr 10^th, 2012 at 3:21pm: I dunno, probably something about monks. I pronounce your username like a Chicagoan talking about a quarterback who is made out of spaghetti. I care not one whit for the content of your post but thank you for this mental image.
	« Last Edit: Apr 10^th, 2012 at 3:26pm by Maxwell Edison »
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Osharan Tregarth Horoluth Raider Offline I'm an ass... Deal with it. Posts: 2663 Location: Fresno Joined: Aug 23^rd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Monk DPS: stance? Reply #14 - Apr 10^th, 2012 at 3:32pm	Print Post
	Xirek wrote on Apr 10^th, 2012 at 11:38am: Wind stance is the best dps, if you have the gear for ki generation and to hit, followed by earth. if you are lacking the gear fire stance is the best. This. My monk is ungergeared, and uses fire stance when having hit issues. Wind otherwise, or sometimes earth.

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Tobril Honourary Australian Offline Hi Welcome Posts: 744 Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010	Re: Monk DPS: stance? Reply #15 - Apr 10^th, 2012 at 3:34pm	Print Post
	Samius wrote on Apr 10^th, 2012 at 3:23pm: Whats haste? that stuff that comes in a pot? Edit- Are there stances other then Earth? Weird.. This is the kind of thing that makes me want to stab people in the dick. Keep that in mind tonight for epics.


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Gawna Ex Member	Re: Monk DPS: stance? Reply #16 - Apr 10^th, 2012 at 5:09pm	Print Post
	Tobril wrote on Apr 10^th, 2012 at 3:34pm: This is the kind of thing that makes me want to stab people in the dick.� Keep that in mind tonight for epics. Are you going to be in wind stance when you cockpunch Samius?


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Belwaar Shroud Slacker Offline Posts: 1017 Location: With Hordo's Mom Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Monk DPS: stance? Reply #17 - Apr 10^th, 2012 at 5:13pm	Print Post
	Quote: Are you going to be in wind stance when you cockpunch Samius? It'll be like he has haste...

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Grace Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 5851 Joined: Aug 4^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Monk DPS: stance? Reply #18 - Apr 10^th, 2012 at 5:50pm	Print Post
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Blank Ex Member	Re: Monk DPS: stance? Reply #19 - Apr 10^th, 2012 at 5:58pm	Print Post
	Grace wrote on Apr 10^th, 2012 at 5:50pm: I don't have a dick. Joke's on you! Then why the fuck are you not in the kitchen?


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spathic Stocky Greenis Offline Taunting the stupid since before you were born. Posts: 1623 Location: Shenandoah valley Joined: Mar 2^nd, 2012 Gender:	Re: Monk DPS: stance? Reply #20 - Apr 10^th, 2012 at 6:08pm	Print Post
	Stance is irrelevant against trash, as is dps. Use tharaak wraps in whatever fucking stance you want and instakill them all. My favored stance againat trash pre-tharaak was fire for the strength boost. Depending on your strength, the mob fortification etc, the earth crit multiplier may not really add. Healing amp was a bonus. Against bosses stay in fire unless you're the tank, then earth. Water and air are situational.

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QuantumFX Shroud Slacker Offline Now back to the GOOD part! Posts: 1170 Joined: Nov 15^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Monk DPS: stance? Reply #21 - Apr 10^th, 2012 at 7:02pm	Print Post
	Keep in mind that my monk is a shintao. Earth IV: Big fists + dual fisted crit multi > 10% mainhand doublestrike. Also, Earth strikes are the least resisted. And then there�s defensive bonuses. Air IV: For when I can�t afford the incite bonus. The strikes are pretty good. But overall, it's a weak stance. Fire I: Because everything after tier 1 is a bad joke. (Yes, a +1 to hit/damage and a shit amount of ki on a crit is not worth 9 action points.) Ocean IV: You can be a Ki battery� when the group is sitting on it's thumbs.


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Grace Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 5851 Joined: Aug 4^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Monk DPS: stance? Reply #22 - Apr 10^th, 2012 at 7:18pm	Print Post
	Quote: Then why the fuck are you not in the kitchen? Because I don't have a pony tattoo.

	JDollar wrote on Apr 10^th, 2013 at 5:25pm: she's Kmack's property Quote: You're obviously important to the community.� And not just because your skin is so supple and soft and smells like honeysuckle and friendship. JDollar wrote on Jul 10^th, 2013 at 2:15am: To put in DnD terms Grace is a CR 60 EE Ball Busting Bitch
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Gawna Ex Member	Re: Monk DPS: stance? Reply #23 - Apr 10^th, 2012 at 7:23pm	Print Post
	Grace wrote on Apr 10^th, 2012 at 7:18pm: Because I don't have a pony tattoo.


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Blank Ex Member	Re: Monk DPS: stance? Reply #24 - Apr 10^th, 2012 at 8:29pm	Print Post
	Grace wrote on Apr 10^th, 2012 at 7:18pm: Because I don't have a pony tattoo. It's a fucking unicorn bitch! But I do see your point.


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