I love how he told people, "I don't want your suggestions, assholes. Give me general feedback, but keep your homebrew abortion of AC systems to yourselves." (Paraphrased)

Think that's in response to Cyr et al on the Let's Talk: Enhancement Update thread?

Everybody is saying the same things.

1. No, it's broken.

2. The scaling and benefits of AC vs DPS is fucked.

3. We want it to work in all content, including Epics.

In Spain we have a saying: "if it´s broken, don´t fix it" 

I give it until 3-4 PM today before an out and out flamewar breaks out, would be earlier if I weren't banned 

waterboytkd wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 2:20am:


He's wagging the dog, it's a "distraction" thread to keep people for ripping on them for fucking up the enhancements update. 

it's a good play, the typical forum trolls can chew on this for a few days.  Hopefully long enough to stall people until they've un-fucked all the "epic" stuff int he new update and can disclose some real information.

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Nothing concrete.  I've been hearing for a long time that they want to do something, but I think they are stuck.  They have to use the d20 system.  Anything else, well, it's just not D&D.

I'm pretty sure that all mobs have the same base stats.  Coming up with random encounters has also been in discussion, and I think they could use that to fix AC.

Example:
You run across four Ogre Berserkers.  Each could randomly be:
+20 to hit, 5d12+50 damage
+25 to hit, 4d12+40 damage
+30 to hit, 3d12+30 damage
+35 to hit, 2d12+20 damage
+40 to hit, 1d12+10 damage

Which one is which?  Did you get one beast, one sure-shot, and a mix of others?  Did you get 4 that are going to hit like trucks if you don't have AC?  Or will they hit everyone, even your AC tank?  You can't tell just by looking, you don't know until you see how often you get hit, and how hard.  In the same dungeon, another mob type has a to-hit profile between 10 and 60, but with a flatter damage profile.  Maybe something else is +50 to +70.  The point is that within the dungeon, the whole range of AC is present.

Inkblack wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 2:12pm:



They did that with Amrath, the bearded devils have significantly more to-hit than the Orthons.  it actually works pretty well.

Cyr wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 4:26pm:


yes, but my henchman didn't reply because I really didn't understand it.

If what Ink says is true and they MUST stick with the d20 then the options are kinda limited as to what Turbine can do.  I've heard conflicting rumors from various leaks, and my only hope that that whatever they do doesn't fuck up the level 1-19 game.

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That's not true.  You don't need more than a 13-14 starting Wisdom and a 15 starting DEX (you're gonna take that anywat for TWFing) to hit the number.

Unless a Starting 16 STR is considered a DEX-build these days.

It used to be like that, but the 3-5 points you can get off of Air-ship buffs and Craftable Dodge 2 goggles/trinkets has closed that gap.

Bigjunk wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 5:35pm:


Woops! Totally forgot about Cannith stuff being the bridge gear :p