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Apr 21st, 2012 at 4:47pm
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Ok, so Kanbeats is gonna get capped at some point in the near future. I went through the hell of planning out her gear and build the first time, successfully getting her intim up to 80+, etc. What's needed now? And what on earth is good SD gear these days? I have a feeling I'm pretty far behind the curve at this point...
  
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Reply #1 - Apr 21st, 2012 at 5:10pm
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You're probably not looking for build advice, but helf 18 stalwart/2 monk is all the rage on Sarlona, and for good reason. Just in case you TR again... at any rate, no matter the race, IMO 2 monk beats the fighter capstone.

As far as gear, check out sirgog's: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=355893

He usually has things thought through pretty decent.

Zerjmoar has breakdowns for intimi and other important stuff: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=344637
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Reply #2 - Apr 21st, 2012 at 10:00pm
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cdr wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 5:10pm:
You're probably not looking for build advice, but helf 18 stalwart/2 monk is all the rage on Sarlona, and for good reason. Just in case you TR again... at any rate, no matter the race, IMO 2 monk beats the fighter capstone.


For a tank, I think that 2 Monk levels beating the Fighter capstone is self evident.

The only thing that I've been trying to figure out is whether 2 Monk levels beats Full Plate plus Shield.  So far, I've come up with a 100% conclusive "it depends."
  

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Reply #3 - Apr 22nd, 2012 at 8:48pm
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Actually, if 18/2 is smexy these days...I could spare a lesser +3 heart lol.

Build advice is more than welcome.
  
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Reply #4 - Apr 23rd, 2012 at 1:57am
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Kannyaheals wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 8:48pm:
Actually, if 18/2 is smexy these days...I could spare a lesser +3 heart lol.

Build advice is more than welcome.


I'm doing fine with 20 fighter as well.  I think the two monk levels give you..  basically 1 more feat
  

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Reply #5 - Apr 23rd, 2012 at 2:04am
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Osharan Tregarth wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 1:57am:
I'm doing fine with 20 fighter as well.  I think the two monk levels give you..  basically 1 more feat


Basically, yeah. And evasion if you want it.

18/2 is just slightly more optimal, a 20 build like sirgog's iron defender is obviously perfectly fine.

Human is a little questionable though Smiley
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Reply #6 - Apr 23rd, 2012 at 2:56am
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cdr wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 2:04am:
Basically, yeah. And evasion if you want it.

18/2 is just slightly more optimal, a 20 build like sirgog's iron defender is obviously perfectly fine.

Human is a little questionable though Smiley


I'm currently running the 3 dragonmarks for epic fang.  If I ever decide to move away from that, I'll probably either go warforged for the super duper hp and the extra hate, or go with half elf for the extra intimidate every minute or so.

But it's kinda nice hitting myself with a heal scroll for 230 or so hp.
  

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Reply #7 - Apr 23rd, 2012 at 10:19am
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popejubal wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 10:00pm:
For a tank, I think that 2 Monk levels beating the Fighter capstone is self evident.




How is this self-evident?  That fighter capstone is 10% more threat. 

18/2's reflex saves are kinda meh so saying they have 'evasion' is a stretch.

  
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Reply #8 - Apr 23rd, 2012 at 11:19am
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Bigjunk wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 10:19am:
How is this self-evident?  That fighter capstone is 10% more threat. 

18/2's reflex saves are kinda meh so saying they have 'evasion' is a stretch.



47 reflex is meh? Look at zerjmoar above with the pal dilly.
  
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Reply #9 - Apr 23rd, 2012 at 11:30am
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cdr wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 11:19am:
47 reflex is meh? Look at zerjmoar above with the pal dilly.


Level ups in DEX?  Really?

Pally dilly instead of Monk for healing amp?  Considering how important heal-scrolls are int he modern game I don't consider this wise.

Did this thing just build for Reflex save?  This really isn't typical.

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Reply #10 - Apr 23rd, 2012 at 11:46am
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Bigjunk wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 11:30am:
Level ups in DEX?  Really?

Pally dilly instead of Monk for healing amp?  Considering how important heal-scrolls are int he modern game I don't consider this wise.

Did this thing just build for Reflex save?

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Aw, someone doesn't want to question his ideas about tanks. Smiley

Dex = AC and reflex for 18/2. Those are kind of important with a tank. 44 str and two intimi timers is more than enough to hold aggro.

Zerjmoar may go a little overboard on the saves - I'm going monk dilly with mine - but you're still north of 40.

Zerjmoar is the best tank I've seen in action, matched only by other 18/2s. Helps that the player is very good, but like I said 18/2 is pretty popular with the good players on Sarlona.
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Reply #11 - Apr 23rd, 2012 at 11:59am
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cdr wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 11:46am:
Aw, someone doesn't want to question his ideas about tanks. Smiley

Dex = AC and reflex for 18/2. Those are kind of important with a tank. 44 str and two intimi timers is more than enough to hold aggro.

Zerjmoar may go a little overboard on the saves - I'm going monk dilly with mine - but you're still north of 40.

Zerjmoar is the best tank I've seen in action, matched only by other 18/2s. Helps that the player is very good, but like I said 18/2 is pretty popular with the good players on Sarlona.


Don't mind being questioned, I just won't built something that's this many eggs in one basket.  it really looks like it's built primarily for Reflex save.  It's actually DPS would be kinda lousy for those times it's not tanking (which is of course completely viable if you have a large enough stable of toons) and that's just something that I philosophically won't build.  It's just personal preference.

Just don't see the point in going level-ups in DEX.  44 STR is enough with a +10 weapon.  If he's holding aggro just fine I'd put the level-ups in CON.  He's already at the over-kill level for saves and AC (any AC about 95 IMNSHO is wasted) and you can never have too many HP. That 833 is pretty light for ELOB.

I see you agree with me on monk-dilly, it's just such a great OP part of the race that if you aren't taking it on a tank you're really missing out.  After running the numbers I regret going Human on my fighter's second life, 420 per Divine Hjeal-scroll compared to the 350 he can get now is huge.  Makes up for looking like a transgender burn victim.

I'm sure this works well in game, but don't tell me that 47 Refles save is typical for an 18/2  considering the build choices that went into getting that.

That said my tank is monk-splashed and probably will continue to be so unless the game changes drastically with the ENH pass and the new epic shit.  I'm just refuting the no-brainer part of the 18/2 . . . the fighter capstone is really nice.
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Reply #12 - Apr 23rd, 2012 at 12:35pm
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Bigjunk wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 11:59am:
I'm sure this works well in game, but don't tell me that 47 Refles save is typical for an 18/2  considering the build choices that went into getting that.


You said "saves are meh", I came back with an obvious counterexample already posted in the thread. Saves are going to be good enough to have a significant positive effect no matter the specific build as long as long as you put half a thought into them.
  
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Reply #13 - Apr 24th, 2012 at 8:53pm
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cdr wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 11:46am:
Aw, someone doesn't want to question his ideas about tanks. Smiley

Dex = AC and reflex for 18/2. Those are kind of important with a tank. 44 str and two intimi timers is more than enough to hold aggro.

Zerjmoar may go a little overboard on the saves - I'm going monk dilly with mine - but you're still north of 40.

Zerjmoar is the best tank I've seen in action, matched only by other 18/2s. Helps that the player is very good, but like I said 18/2 is pretty popular with the good players on Sarlona.



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rest wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 8:53pm:
WTF sergod is back!?


nope, i'd guess CDR hasn't run elob in a while.

there's enough tanks round now that sergod is just one of the crowd.
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Reply #15 - Apr 24th, 2012 at 9:34pm
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Yep. I still see people complaining about lack of eLOB tanks, but it's mostly nerdrage tbf and they're whiners Tongue
  
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Reply #16 - Apr 24th, 2012 at 11:10pm
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cdr wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 9:34pm:
Yep. I still see people complaining about lack of eLOB tanks, but it's mostly nerdrage tbf and they're whiners Tongue


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Reply #17 - Apr 29th, 2012 at 7:52pm
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Ok, this is what she's got in gear as far as SD is concerned.

Epic Full Plate of the Ringleader
Stalwart Necklace
Cinder's Band
Ring of the Ravager
Epic Brawn's Spirits
Epic Spectral Gloves
Epic Antique GA
Epic Ring of the Silver Concord
Epic Cavalry Plate
Epic Helm of the Mrorannon
Epic Belt of the Mrorannon.

Methinks she's pretty far behind the curve as far as the new shiny gear is concerned. Le sigh. A lot of that is unnecessary now that she doesn't really have to hit an 80 intim, at least...not so far as I know.
  
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Kannyaheals wrote on Apr 29th, 2012 at 7:52pm:
Ok, this is what she's got in gear as far as SD is concerned.

Epic Full Plate of the Ringleader
Stalwart Necklace
Cinder's Band
Ring of the Ravager
Epic Brawn's Spirits
Epic Spectral Gloves
Epic Antique GA
Epic Ring of the Silver Concord
Epic Cavalry Plate
Epic Helm of the Mrorannon
Epic Belt of the Mrorannon.

Methinks she's pretty far behind the curve as far as the new shiny gear is concerned. Le sigh. A lot of that is unnecessary now that she doesn't really have to hit an 80 intim, at least...not so far as I know.


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Reply #19 - Apr 30th, 2012 at 9:07am
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80+ intim absolutely trivializes EDQ and Elite Hound. 

Though intim isn't needed on an ELOB tank I've seen loss of aggro wipe a group.   If you're going to build a tank these days you'd be foolish to not build for this, especially since with the gear we have now you can hit it with a dumped CHR.
  
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Reply #20 - Apr 30th, 2012 at 10:19am
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Yeah, between Brawn's Spirits, various sources of exceptional, GS +6 cha skills, etc some builds don't even need to take many +intim feats to hit 80.

DDOWiki says 78 for eLOB no-fail, I would definitely want to hit that. eLOB is definitely the best thing to be targeting for a tank.

Hard Xy'zzy is 75 (who even runs that raid, much less elite ; ). eLailat is 79, and intiming her is awesome but rarely done on Sarlona - most people just spartan/ball and heal through.
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Reply #21 - Apr 30th, 2012 at 11:55am
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cdr wrote on Apr 30th, 2012 at 10:19am:
Yeah, between Brawn's Spirits, various sources of exceptional, GS +6 cha skills, etc some builds don't even need to take many +intim feats to hit 80.

DDOWiki says 78 for eLOB no-fail, I would definitely want to hit that. eLOB is definitely the best thing to be targeting for a tank.

Hard Xy'zzy is 75 (who even runs that raid, much less elite ; ). eLailat is 79, and intiming her is awesome but rarely done on Sarlona - most people just spartan/ball and heal through.


I will have to pull out her build, but I think she had it down to one or two feats, in the end.
  
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