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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Pally stuff, dps question Apr 29^th, 2012 at 5:55pm	Print Post
	Now, I know pallies cannot hit anything. But, when I roll that 19-20, I want to make it count. Anyone the endgame dps difference between the defender stance tier 3 and the kotc? Looking to grab more hp as I don't really like sitting at 507 till I get the rest of the gear I want. Defender stance easily gives me 150+, so.... If my dps take a giant hit though, I won't concern myself with it. Thanks! Also, I typically run the quests where the pally shines as a kotc, an ev6 every now and then, but not really a big focus.

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Blank Ex Member	Re: Pally stuff, dps question Reply #1 - Apr 29^th, 2012 at 7:54pm	Print Post
	Pally is less dps than a rogue with aggro.


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Deeds Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 188 Joined: Nov 8^th, 2011	Re: Pally stuff, dps question Reply #2 - Apr 29^th, 2012 at 8:54pm	Print Post
	KotC: 4d6 vs eo (kotc3) 3d6 vs eo (tod set) 3 extra smites (kotc3) DoS: +6 Strength (DoS3 Stance)

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JDollar Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Swarthy as fuck Posts: 5380 Location: Uttering "death threats"! Joined: Jun 24^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Pally stuff, dps question Reply #3 - Apr 29^th, 2012 at 11:41pm	Print Post
	Epoch wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 5:55pm: Now, I know pallies cannot hit anything.� But, when I roll that 19-20, I want to make it count.� Anyone the endgame dps difference between the defender stance tier 3 and the kotc?� Looking to grab more hp as I don't really like sitting at 507 till I get the rest of the gear I want.� Defender stance easily gives me 150+, so....� If my dps take a giant hit though, I won't concern myself with it.� Thanks!� Also, I typically run the quests where the pally shines as a kotc, an ev6 every now and then, but not really a big focus. DoS is the way to go. You will have more like 800+ hp You will draw more agro up the bum than Gawna gets things up hers (<3) Bonus to Strength as mention . Also if you are missing things with your pally, try and use your spells, Divine Favor is nice, it grants +3 to hit and damage. Kind of makes me lauugh when people say they cant hit things with their Paladin. LRN2PLY The bump against EOS is great until you get agro and the healer cant keep you up as a KotC. Only WF and Dorf should go KotC for the most part. With only 500 hp at endgame sounds like you went heavy CHA, which means you have added damage with higher Divine Might 2 or 3, you will like this better. Dont waste any time on anything better than exalted smite 1, divine sac go as high as you can.

	Quote: J$ can take great pride that I think he's too revolting for words and will probably post "gtg cat on fire" if he joins a group I'm in. Quote: JD is easily the most genuinely mean person I've known Quote: SNAP!� Point for the Canadian! notajedi wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 6:47pm: JonnyD has had way better exploits.
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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Pally stuff, dps question Reply #4 - Apr 29^th, 2012 at 11:59pm	Print Post
	JDollar wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 11:41pm: DoS is the way to go. You will have more like 800+ hp You will draw more agro up the bum than Gawna gets things up hers (<3) Bonus to Strength as mention . Also if you are missing things with your pally, try and use your spells, Divine Favor is nice, it grants +3 to hit and damage. Kind of makes me lauugh when people say they cant hit things with their Paladin. LRN2PLY � The bump against EOS is great until you get agro and the healer cant keep you up as a KotC. Only WF and Dorf should go KotC for the most part. With only 500 hp at endgame sounds like you went heavy CHA, which means you have added damage with higher Divine Might 2 or 3, you will like this better. Dont waste any time on anything better than exalted smite 1, divine sac go as high as you can. I think you may have missed a thread here. Moving on, Yes I invested into divine might, may as well put those turn undeads to use somewhere. Div sac is always capped, but why exalted smite 1? 4 gives you a +2 to crit mult and crit range. It sounds like it is a pretty sweet deal.

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4343 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Pally stuff, dps question Reply #5 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 2:13am	Print Post
	way i see it, you're only 4str ahead since kotc will be raged. i went from kotc to dos, i barely notice it against evil outsiders, and i've found it to be a pain toggling out of stance and back in to refresh madstone. Overall it is more dps, (esp since i hardly run dq / tod on gimpenmo anymore) but dos requirements makes ap even tighter. in chrono i was and still am the tank, but now i've got the hp to be chosen instead of griefing.

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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Pally stuff, dps question Reply #6 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 3:28am	Print Post
	Why wouldn't dos be raged? Take your ac burn it, burn it in white phosphorus. Ac is fucking stupid. Why would you have to leave stance for madstone?

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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Blank Ex Member	Re: Pally stuff, dps question Reply #7 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 3:34am	Print Post
	Epoch wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 3:28am: Why wouldn't dos be raged? Take your ac burn it, burn it in white phosphorus.� Ac is fucking stupid. Why would you have to leave stance for madstone? You can't be in Stance and MS Raged with a SD fighter, and Stance cancels out Rage. I'd think Pally would have the same issues.. Just roll up a Mechanic Rogue Epoch. The DPS will be better. Then you can take out a dagger irl and out DPS it. On yourself.


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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Pally stuff, dps question Reply #8 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 4:00am	Print Post
	Seriously? That shit cancels out rage? Fuck it. Fuck dos. I WILL TAKE THE CREATORS OF THE FUCKING RETARDED DOS STANCES AND THROW THEM INTO A ROOM WITH WHITE PHOPHORUS STREWN ABOUT EVERYWHERE AND A THERMOSTAT STARTING AT A TEMP OF 60 F AND RISING 1 DEGREE EVERY 5 MINUTES

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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Blank Ex Member	Re: Pally stuff, dps question Reply #9 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 4:03am	Print Post
	Epoch wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 4:00am: Seriously? That shit cancels out rage? Fuck it.� Fuck dos. I WILL TAKE THE CREATORS OF THE FUCKING RETARDED DOS STANCES AND THROW THEM INTO A ROOM WITH WHITE PHOPHORUS STREWN ABOUT EVERYWHERE AND A THERMOSTAT STARTING AT A TEMP OF 60 F AND RISING 1 DEGREE EVERY 5 MINUTES You were so angry, you misspelled Phosphorous. Damn Epoch, take a chill pill.


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4343 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Pally stuff, dps question Reply #10 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 4:23am	Print Post
	yeah going into stance cancels out rage and prevents procs of madstone. you can however drop out of stance, madstone, double madstone, then go back into stance. it wasn't always like this, devs changed it back in late 2010 or early 2011, personally i'm willing to write of conventional rage, but the madstone prevention fucks me off.

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JDollar Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Swarthy as fuck Posts: 5380 Location: Uttering "death threats"! Joined: Jun 24^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Pally stuff, dps question Reply #11 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 4:34am	Print Post
	Epoch wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 11:59pm: I think you may have missed a thread here. possibly Moving on, Yes I invested into divine might, may as well put those turn undeads to use somewhere.� Div sac is always capped, but why exalted smite 1? 4 gives you a +2 to crit mult and crit range.� It sounds like it is a pretty sweet deal. Exalted smite is expensive in AP's and I think you get better bang for you buck elsewhere

	Quote: J$ can take great pride that I think he's too revolting for words and will probably post "gtg cat on fire" if he joins a group I'm in. Quote: JD is easily the most genuinely mean person I've known Quote: SNAP!� Point for the Canadian! notajedi wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 6:47pm: JonnyD has had way better exploits.
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JDollar Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Swarthy as fuck Posts: 5380 Location: Uttering "death threats"! Joined: Jun 24^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Pally stuff, dps question Reply #12 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 4:36am	Print Post
	Epoch wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 4:00am: Seriously? That shit cancels out rage? Fuck it.� Fuck dos. I WILL TAKE THE CREATORS OF THE FUCKING RETARDED DOS STANCES AND THROW THEM INTO A ROOM WITH WHITE PHOPHORUS STREWN ABOUT EVERYWHERE AND A THERMOSTAT STARTING AT A TEMP OF 60 F AND RISING 1 DEGREE EVERY 5 MINUTES dont be an idiot

	Quote: J$ can take great pride that I think he's too revolting for words and will probably post "gtg cat on fire" if he joins a group I'm in. Quote: JD is easily the most genuinely mean person I've known Quote: SNAP!� Point for the Canadian! notajedi wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 6:47pm: JonnyD has had way better exploits.
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Xenostrata Ex Member	Re: Pally stuff, dps question Reply #13 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:49am	Print Post
	Exalted Smite is fun, but for long fights it's only 10-13 swings out of 100s or 1000s. That tends to tone down the DPS boost you get from it. I generally take only the first tier, so that my smites don't have a retarded animation and so that I get the free +1 multiplier.


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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Pally stuff, dps question Reply #14 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 1:32pm	Print Post
	JDollar wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 4:36am: dont be an idiot I will do more research.� If I am not going for the whole ac build type, is it worth grabbing the tod set? I could look it up, but if I remember correctly the ring is the same as lorinthors and the belt just has GFL on it. I think 20 threat as well? Which wouldn't stack with my soon to be looted epic claw set.
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	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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JDollar Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Swarthy as fuck Posts: 5380 Location: Uttering "death threats"! Joined: Jun 24^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Pally stuff, dps question Reply #15 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 1:58pm	Print Post
	Epoch wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 1:32pm: I will do more research.� If I am not going for the whole ac build type, is it worth grabbing the tod set? I could look it up, but if I remember correctly the ring is the same as lorinthors and the belt just has GFL on it.� I think 20 threat as well? Which wouldn't stack with my soon to be looted epic claw set. Is this a past life or a playing end game build? IF its just a pastlife for maybe 1 set of 20 completions none of it really matters. If more let me know

	Quote: J$ can take great pride that I think he's too revolting for words and will probably post "gtg cat on fire" if he joins a group I'm in. Quote: JD is easily the most genuinely mean person I've known Quote: SNAP!� Point for the Canadian! notajedi wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 6:47pm: JonnyD has had way better exploits.
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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4343 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Pally stuff, dps question Reply #16 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 2:26pm	Print Post
	Epoch wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 1:32pm: I will do more research.� If I am not going for the whole ac build type, is it worth grabbing the tod set? I could look it up, but if I remember correctly the ring is the same as lorinthors and the belt just has GFL on it.� I think 20 threat as well? Which wouldn't stack with my soon to be looted epic claw set. don't worry about the tod set, as a non ac dos, you're better off with standard dps sets.

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Tobril Honourary Australian Offline Hi Welcome Posts: 744 Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010	Re: Pally stuff, dps question Reply #17 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 2:55pm	Print Post
	KoTC is the thing to be if you are serious about mainly using him in devil raids/quests. 4 damage vs a ton of d6's is a pretty easy call. You don't need 1000 HP to be a non-tank DPS.


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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Pally stuff, dps question Reply #18 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 3:00pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 2:26pm: don't worry about the tod set, as a non ac dos, you're better off with standard dps sets. This is what I figured, thanks.

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Pally stuff, dps question Reply #19 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 3:01pm	Print Post
	JDollar wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 1:58pm: Is this a past life or a playing end game build? IF its just a pastlife for maybe 1 set of 20 completions none of it really matters. If more let me know Endgame. I will tr him once I am set on what would be best. Just because I am not much of an lr person or feat swapper. Also, for the 2 extra build points.

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Pally stuff, dps question Reply #20 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 4:21pm	Print Post
	Epoch wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 1:32pm: I will do more research.� If I am not going for the whole ac build type, is it worth grabbing the tod set? I could look it up, but if I remember correctly the ring is the same as lorinthors and the belt just has GFL on it.� I think 20 threat as well? Which wouldn't stack with my soon to be looted epic claw set. 15% threat, and it does stock with claw.


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JDollar Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Swarthy as fuck Posts: 5380 Location: Uttering "death threats"! Joined: Jun 24^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Pally stuff, dps question Reply #21 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:39pm	Print Post
	Epoch wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 3:01pm: Endgame.� I will tr him once I am set on what would be best.� Just because I am not much of an lr person or feat swapper.� Also, for the 2 extra build points. Here is the thing with DoS, it allows you dump Con to 12 or 14 (And remain viable around 650 HP with decent healing amp) and go for Cha to get the yummy +6 or +8 damage of Divine Might 3 or 4 and you have atleast 14 minutes if not more depending on your Cha, this is in addition to the +4 to hit and damage of DoS (no rage accounted for)

	Quote: J$ can take great pride that I think he's too revolting for words and will probably post "gtg cat on fire" if he joins a group I'm in. Quote: JD is easily the most genuinely mean person I've known Quote: SNAP!� Point for the Canadian! notajedi wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 6:47pm: JonnyD has had way better exploits.
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Vissarion DQ Assaulter Offline Posts: 493 Joined: Jul 23^rd, 2010 Gender:	Re: Pally stuff, dps question Reply #22 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:44pm	Print Post
	I'd really love to make a Pally, but they seriously need to cut down the time for DM activation. That shit takes way too long.

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JDollar Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Swarthy as fuck Posts: 5380 Location: Uttering "death threats"! Joined: Jun 24^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Pally stuff, dps question Reply #23 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 7:59pm	Print Post
	Vissarion wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 6:44pm: I'd really love to make a Pally, but they seriously need to cut down the time for DM activation. That shit takes way too long. Indeed. and their prerequisites need to but but in half same with most of the costs for enhancements. Its really tough to make a useful general purpose pally, you have to specialize and even then it can be tough

	Quote: J$ can take great pride that I think he's too revolting for words and will probably post "gtg cat on fire" if he joins a group I'm in. Quote: JD is easily the most genuinely mean person I've known Quote: SNAP!� Point for the Canadian! notajedi wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 6:47pm: JonnyD has had way better exploits.
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Vissarion DQ Assaulter Offline Posts: 493 Joined: Jul 23^rd, 2010 Gender:	Re: Pally stuff, dps question Reply #24 - Apr 30^th, 2012 at 11:07pm	Print Post
	JDollar wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 7:59pm: Indeed. and their prerequisites need to but but in half same with most of the costs for enhancements. Its really tough to make a useful general purpose pally, you have to specialize and even then it can be tough Here's hoping they don't have their heads jammed too far up their asses when they do the enhancement overhaul. That'll be a perfect opportunity to fix the most glaring weaknesses in the class.

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