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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	New physics engine hasn't done shit to fix lag May 3^rd, 2012 at 10:13pm	Print Post
	But it's ok.� Turbine devs play their own game.� They'll fix the soul crushing lag.� Soon.


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Blank Ex Member	Re: New physics engine hasn't done shit to fix lag Reply #1 - May 3^rd, 2012 at 10:21pm	Print Post
	Carpone wrote on May 3^rd, 2012 at 10:13pm: But it's ok.� Turbine devs play their own game.� They'll fix the soul crushing lag.� Soon^TM. Fixed.


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Xenostrata Ex Member	Re: New physics engine hasn't done shit to fix lag Reply #2 - May 3^rd, 2012 at 10:25pm	Print Post
	Playing today was surprisingly lag free. My usual rubber band-y spots in the marketplace seemed a little better.


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Bazinga Stormreaver Piker Offline Suck it Bay! Bay! Posts: 579 Joined: Dec 21^st, 2011 Gender:	Re: New physics engine hasn't done shit to fix lag Reply #3 - May 3^rd, 2012 at 10:36pm	Print Post
	Same here I noticed game seems more stable. But I have highest cable speed I can buy. So wasn't bad to start.

	majmalphunktion wrote on Apr 26^th, 2014 at 11:06pm: Wow, you love me. There has been two big lag fixes in the past week. No, those are not going out with a hotfix. They are more wide ranging and take more time to test. Of course every time you get like this, I keep wondering where your MMO is so I can play it. Obviously you know excatly how to piece one of these together. I can't keep apologizing a gazillion times for the back end tech and things people did on this game before I was even an employee. So one last time, yes some of the stuff from the before times sucks. Sorry about that. Yes we know, stop building new systems. Yes we know, finish the ones out there. Yes we know you hate bards. And screw you for bringing up the laid off folks. That sucks every time. I made sure all my people landed in other jobs real quick. None of my 'casualties' are unemployed, just sadly not employed by Turbine. Every business goes through this.Even Valve has layoffs. It sucks every time. If you haven't had to do it then you just don't know. Picking people and knowing you are about to turn their life upside down is terrible, every time. Not giving a bleep. No, I stop listening when the bile starts. Not worth my sanity. You know my rule, treat me like a human and I'll do the same back. When the rage train starts...cya. So here is my peace out of the vault for a while. Thanks for the list Ranger, that was actually clear and helpful.
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Ironical the Bionicle Waterworks Kobold Offline RAGE! Posts: 109 Joined: Jun 10^th, 2011	Re: New physics engine hasn't done shit to fix lag Reply #4 - May 4^th, 2012 at 3:37am	Print Post
	Quote: Playing today was surprisingly lag free. My usual rubber band-y spots in the marketplace seemed a little better. Well la-dee-fuck-king-da fo' you.� Spending all your time in the flippin marketplace with your spider companion doin' back flops? Bazinga wrote on May 3^rd, 2012 at 10:36pm: Same here I noticed game seems more stable. But I have highest cable speed I can buy. So wasn't bad to start. You are special.� So, very, fucking, special... it's, fucking, retarded, how, special, you, and your highest cable speed I can buy, are. Because server-side lag can be fixed with FiOS! The Verizon guy told me so! I give them money and they tell me I'm special too. Retard. Raid or chone.
	« Last Edit: May 4^th, 2012 at 3:41am by Ironical the Bionicle »

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furbyoats Stormreaver Piker Offline One stroke at a time... Posts: 607 Joined: Nov 14^th, 2010	Re: New physics engine hasn't done shit to fix lag Reply #5 - May 4^th, 2012 at 5:39am	Print Post
	Ironical the Bionicle wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 3:37am: Well la-dee-fuck-king-da fo' you.� Spending all your time in the flippin marketplace with your spider companion doin' back flops? You are special.� So, very, fucking, special...� it's, fucking, retarded, how, special, you, and your highest cable speed I can buy, are. Because server-side lag can be fixed with FiOS!� The Verizon guy told me so!� I give them money and they tell me I'm special too.� Retard. Raid or chone. If you don't change your tampon, you may experience Toxic Shock Syndrome.

	Ungood wrote on Jul 29^th, 2011 at 2:17pm: Queens don't have dicks. Atenhotep wrote on Sep 14^th, 2011 at 1:56am: I spend every evening naked in a fetal position crying because my penis is so small.
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Blank Ex Member	Re: New physics engine hasn't done shit to fix lag Reply #6 - May 4^th, 2012 at 5:41am	Print Post
	furbyoats wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 5:39am: If you don't change your tampon, you may experience Toxic Shock Syndrome. No no. I wanna see what happens...


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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: New physics engine hasn't done shit to fix lag Reply #7 - May 4^th, 2012 at 7:02am	Print Post
	Last night: Artificer Wilderness = laggy as hell.� Our guild enters epic MA and have to reset the instance (Turbine's recommended course of action) because it's too laggy.� On the way back to the raid entrance, people die to cannons we left up in the wilderness because they can't move or are stutter stepping and can't climb stairs.� We get back into epic MA and the lag is still there.� We do the optional first in the hopes it clears up by the time we get to Toven.� Nope. We release during Toven's golem phase because we all died from spells not landing. To give you some content: The first time we ever tried epic MA we were successful.� It's a stupidly easy raid.� The only possible way for us to fail it is from lag. We've had bad lag nights before on Orien, but it usually doesn't follow with hardcore people saying "I regret buying the expansion" and "I'm taking an extended break from DDO until this is fixed."� I can't blame them at all.


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Bazinga Stormreaver Piker Offline Suck it Bay! Bay! Posts: 579 Joined: Dec 21^st, 2011 Gender:	Re: New physics engine hasn't done shit to fix lag Reply #8 - May 4^th, 2012 at 7:25am	Print Post
	Ironical the Bionicle wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 3:37am: Well la-dee-fuck-king-da fo' you.� Spending all your time in the flippin marketplace with your spider companion doin' back flops? You are special.� So, very, fucking, special...� it's, fucking, retarded, how, special, you, and your highest cable speed I can buy, are. Because server-side lag can be fixed with FiOS!� The Verizon guy told me so!� I give them money and they tell me I'm special too.� Retard. Raid or chone. I completely disagree. I put you in the clear category of the DDO poor or DDO on a budget type player. So your opinion is clearly jaded and wrong.

	majmalphunktion wrote on Apr 26^th, 2014 at 11:06pm: Wow, you love me. There has been two big lag fixes in the past week. No, those are not going out with a hotfix. They are more wide ranging and take more time to test. Of course every time you get like this, I keep wondering where your MMO is so I can play it. Obviously you know excatly how to piece one of these together. I can't keep apologizing a gazillion times for the back end tech and things people did on this game before I was even an employee. So one last time, yes some of the stuff from the before times sucks. Sorry about that. Yes we know, stop building new systems. Yes we know, finish the ones out there. Yes we know you hate bards. And screw you for bringing up the laid off folks. That sucks every time. I made sure all my people landed in other jobs real quick. None of my 'casualties' are unemployed, just sadly not employed by Turbine. Every business goes through this.Even Valve has layoffs. It sucks every time. If you haven't had to do it then you just don't know. Picking people and knowing you are about to turn their life upside down is terrible, every time. Not giving a bleep. No, I stop listening when the bile starts. Not worth my sanity. You know my rule, treat me like a human and I'll do the same back. When the rage train starts...cya. So here is my peace out of the vault for a while. Thanks for the list Ranger, that was actually clear and helpful.
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Azuphle Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 126 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: New physics engine hasn't done shit to fix lag Reply #9 - May 4^th, 2012 at 8:44am	Print Post
	Carpone wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 7:02am: Last night: Artificer Wilderness = laggy as hell.� Our guild enters epic MA and have to reset the instance (Turbine's recommended course of action) because it's too laggy.� On the way back to the raid entrance, people die to cannons we left up in the wilderness because they can't move or are stutter stepping and can't climb stairs.� We get back into epic MA and the lag is still there.� We do the optional first in the hopes it clears up by the time we get to Toven.� Nope. We release during Toven's golem phase because we all died from spells not landing. To give you some content: The first time we ever tried epic MA we were successful.� It's a stupidly easy raid.� The only possible way for us to fail it is from lag. We've had bad lag nights before on Orien, but it usually doesn't follow with hardcore people saying "I regret buying the expansion" and "I'm taking an extended break from DDO until this is fixed."� I can't blame them at all. The real question is: Do you always touch yourself while complaining because you are sadistic or is it because you are incapable to stop touching yourself?


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Xenostrata Ex Member	Re: New physics engine hasn't done shit to fix lag Reply #10 - May 5^th, 2012 at 1:54am	Print Post
	Ironical the Bionicle wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 3:37am: Well la-dee-fuck-king-da fo' you.� Spending all your time in the flippin marketplace with your spider companion doin' back flops? You are special.� So, very, fucking, special...� it's, fucking, retarded, how, special, you, and your highest cable speed I can buy, are. Because server-side lag can be fixed with FiOS!� The Verizon guy told me so!� I give them money and they tell me I'm special too.� Retard. Raid or chone. You seem irrationally angry. You should probably calm down.


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Combat Wombat Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 334 Joined: Aug 28^th, 2010	Re: New physics engine hasn't done shit to fix lag Reply #11 - May 5^th, 2012 at 8:03pm	Print Post
	Carpone wrote on May 3^rd, 2012 at 10:13pm: But it's ok.� Turbine devs play their own game.� They'll fix the soul crushing lag.� Soon. just wanted to ask where they said it would?


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scraap Ex Member	Re: New physics engine hasn't done shit to fix lag Reply #12 - May 6^th, 2012 at 2:09am	Print Post
	Just got done with mentau. I think I'm officially in awe of the fact that they can put in a new physics system, and still keep an almost 100% physics related bug alive. Truly impressive.


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Eladiun Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Two Time Loser Posts: 8398 Location: Rhode Island, USA Joined: Jun 17^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: New physics engine hasn't done shit to fix lag Reply #13 - May 6^th, 2012 at 2:30am	Print Post
	Lag seemed better for me...now ladders are a different story altogether. Oh, and Ironical eat a dick.

	Nevynn wrote on Nov 18^th, 2010 at 11:38pm: Anybody coming to this board expecting anything more sophisticated than a dick joke had better get used to disappointment. Calvet wrote on Oct 20^th, 2011 at 12:18pm: I just got that impression after you spent 13 pages calling out eladiun for being an interwebs bully when anyone who's been posting on here already knew that.� I mean, he's proud of it and hardly tries to hide that at all. Quote: Eladiun is an awful person
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Combat Wombat Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 334 Joined: Aug 28^th, 2010	Re: New physics engine hasn't done shit to fix lag Reply #14 - May 6^th, 2012 at 2:53am	Print Post
	yeah just did WW and almost all the ladders wre bugged for me


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Cauthey Ex Member	Re: New physics engine hasn't done shit to fix lag Reply #15 - May 7^th, 2012 at 10:34am	Print Post
	Lag spikes seem less crippling, but not gone entirely. In other news, I am still facing the zone out issues where I get disconnected from the world zone but not the chat servers fairly consistently. BooHiss.


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notajedi Stormreaver Piker Offline What idiot puts personal information here? Gunga Posts: 528 Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010	Re: New physics engine hasn't done shit to fix lag Reply #16 - May 7^th, 2012 at 10:41am	Print Post
	I do not have zone out issues. Market lag is only getting worse. I believe the graphics is ever increasing because now players must have companions to also be drawn. For me, this is the lag causer. Time for a new gaming computer with better graphics and more more more memory.


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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: New physics engine hasn't done shit to fix lag Reply #17 - May 7^th, 2012 at 6:54pm	Print Post
	Combat Wombat wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 8:03pm: just wanted to ask where they said it would? Devs alluded to it. It's buried in the Dev Tracker.


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Azuphle Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 126 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: New physics engine hasn't done shit to fix lag Reply #18 - May 8^th, 2012 at 3:20am	Print Post
	Carpone wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 6:54pm: Devs alluded to it.� It's buried in the Dev Tracker. All I can remember is them saying they want to tune the backend so it supports the new stuff, apart from that change there was something MajMalph mentioned which was going live before the physics changes (13.1.1 I believe)


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Soul Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1121 Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: New physics engine hasn't done shit to fix lag Reply #19 - May 8^th, 2012 at 5:22am	Print Post
	Orien has always had terrible lag, Carpone. Probably the worst lag out of any of the servers I have played on. Also ladders are fucked. You MUST walk up them from the beginning. You have absolutely no option whatsoever to jump onto the ladder.


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wumpus Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 42 Joined: Apr 22^nd, 2011	Re: New physics engine hasn't done shit to fix lag Reply #20 - May 8^th, 2012 at 12:54pm	Print Post
	Quote: Just got done with mentau. I think I'm officially in awe of the fact that they can put in a new physics system, and still keep an almost 100% physics related bug alive. Truly impressive. There are two ways to do this: 1. Redo the physics system from scratch. 2. Implement the old physics system on a new engine (they're using Havok now). Choice 1 brings in a whole new class of bugs. Choice 2 keeps the old bugs (and exposes old bugs that have been insufficiently papered over). Can you imagine the number of bugs option 1 would produce in the midst of coding up an expansion? I surprised that they seem to be limited to the "infinite falling damage from 1 foot" and "can't shoot over a pebble" bugs. I did report the return of the ladder bug (on steriods no less) on Lama. Haven't seen it live, although I expect little change from the old ladder bug of this year.


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Eladiun Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Two Time Loser Posts: 8398 Location: Rhode Island, USA Joined: Jun 17^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: New physics engine hasn't done shit to fix lag Reply #21 - May 8^th, 2012 at 12:57pm	Print Post
	wumpus wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 12:54pm: � Can you imagine the number of bugs option 1 would produce in the midst of coding up an expansion?�. Except for the tiny fact that since 2007 we have been told the reason druids were not released was flaws in the physics and game engine that made them impossible. So, in essence they have been working on this for 5 years. You might think they would fucking get it right.

	Nevynn wrote on Nov 18^th, 2010 at 11:38pm: Anybody coming to this board expecting anything more sophisticated than a dick joke had better get used to disappointment. Calvet wrote on Oct 20^th, 2011 at 12:18pm: I just got that impression after you spent 13 pages calling out eladiun for being an interwebs bully when anyone who's been posting on here already knew that.� I mean, he's proud of it and hardly tries to hide that at all. Quote: Eladiun is an awful person
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scraap Ex Member	Re: New physics engine hasn't done shit to fix lag Reply #22 - May 8^th, 2012 at 1:19pm	Print Post
	0wumpus wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 12:54pm: There are two ways to do this: 1. Redo the physics system from scratch. 2. Implement the old physics system on a new engine (they're using Havok now). Choice 1 brings in a whole new class of bugs.� Choice 2 keeps the old bugs (and exposes old bugs that have been insufficiently papered over).� Can you imagine the number of bugs option 1 would produce in the midst of coding up an expansion?� I surprised that they seem to be limited to the "infinite falling damage from 1 foot" and "can't shoot over a pebble" bugs. I did report the return of the ladder bug (on steriods no less) on Lama.� Haven't seen it live, although I expect little change from the old ladder bug of this year. Funny, I've never refactored an engine subsystem without first analyzing where it falls apart and if there would be any side effects. Which means step one is making sure the numbers that came out were the ones that were supposed to in the first place. Otherwise, I just don't see the merit in all that sweat, since adding yet more functionality later down the line can cascade based on existing failures, and make it even more of a nightmare to debug. Admittedly, I'm anal. (down boys).
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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: New physics engine hasn't done shit to fix lag Reply #23 - May 8^th, 2012 at 1:25pm	Print Post
	Quote: down boys I think you meant up. Because that is what they are.

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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