popejubal wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 11:01am:


My reading was that the destinies were looked to class, or you had to do some extra shit to cross over into a destiny outside your class. My thought was it might be easier to unlock and level on the appropriate class.

stainer wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 11:07am:


Looks like it's more locked to spheres...  Melee, Arcane, Divine.   For example...

The Legendary Dreadnought

A character with 6 levels of Fighter or 18 levels of Monk or Rogue will be able to select it as their starting destiny, but anyone can gain access to it by going through Shadowdancer, Grandmaster of Flowers, or Wild Hunter.

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Or you can unlock adjacent destinies by maxing one destiny.  See my post above...

Eladiun wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 11:15am:

Yeah, that was the alternative option that I said. You can either TR a couple of times, or take whatever Epic Destiny bridges Monk and Druid (my guess was Ranger, but who knows). It all depends on how fast you can max the ED and what permanent benefits you get, versus how fast you can TR, and how worthwhile the PL is for you.

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That's the potentially nasty part. I assume EVERYTHING in the 18-25 range is going to have MASSIVE SR (I'm seriously expecting min 50, probably closer to 75, or worse, they'll just make the yard trash immune to something silly like 6th level and lower spells) due to them finally putting in non-gimpy drow NPC's so every single caster out there is possibly going to need a fuckton more spell penetration/higher DC's for their spells and while at least one epic destiny seems to offer that, I can almost guarantee it won't be enough so you'll need multiple caster past lives AND the epic destinies.

There's a whopping THREE adventure packs plus a challenge pack in this expansion so I see them having a vested interest in it taking people a LONG time to complete.

(I also still want to know what this mechanic for poison saves via fortitude save is going to be too and whether or not "Proof Against Poison" will 100% mitigate it, my guess is NO, because making proof against poison completely useless in Faerun opens up a whole new tier type of gear and we all know what itemization is like in this game >.<)

Aeolwind wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 8:30am:


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Thanks, I think what I said still stands.

What I said doesn't have anything to do with comparing the use of a past life to the ED.  Reading comprehension, it is a God send.

stainer wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 10:54am:


It looks like it might be quicker in some cases, but we need way more details revealed before we know.

Bigjunk wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 12:50pm:


Huh? 

Eladiun wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 12:53pm:


Look at a caster . . . anything in the ED that completely makes the 9 more spell pen you can get with PLs irrelevant?

Melees . . . not so much.   The stacking of multiple pally lives for stupid hjealing amp is probably the only one really worth doing.

The thing is, you have no idea what the scaling will be like at 25.  Past lives will still be worth something.  As much as they were? Probably not.  Will they be useless? Far from it. 

That being said, I will not object to any buffing of the completionist feat or any past lives.  Being that the completionist feat only gives +2 ability scores and skills, it has always been lackluster in my eyes.  That is why my guys have stacked past lives and slowly going for completionist instead of the initial haul for it.  Also, the person who put it ingame admitted they did it as a joke.  Which means, it could use some work.

stainer wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 11:20am:

Until we know the XP rate from epic quests and how much XP is needed to advance each level, we just don't know which route will be faster.  We'll know once the beta starts.

I love that he said none of the devs are completionists.  I don't think any of us are even sure they have capped characters.

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Yeah, that really fucking worried me.  I think Tolero TR'd though, once.