Is it just the 20th completion that's broken or the entire raid?

I need to know whether I'm going to actively avoid the raid or simply not run it because there is no group interested in it.

I can see how that might make the raid more difficult.

mudfud wrote on Aug 20^th, 2012 at 8:16pm:


Abbot pushes a lot of different game systems to their limits and it's old. Tiny changes anywhere in the game engine will have a tendency to break it, much less the long tradition of devs fucking with Abbot itself just to fuck with it.

Soo... before the update there were random extra kobold spawns.  Now after the update stuff isn't spawning?  Sweet.

Not like anyone ran it on hard, seeing how the hard chest had less chance for raid loot.

InVinoVeritas wrote on Aug 20^th, 2012 at 9:42pm:


Tajuh probably never actually ran the raid (or is on a weird server), but last I checked the hard loot tables were actually worse than the normal loot tables for base items. Go look it up.

Sarlona exclusively runs hard pretty much though. The people who are capable of regularly completing Abbot mostly want the seals, not the base items.

Carpone wrote on Aug 20^th, 2012 at 8:40pm:


Looks like when you try hard abbot he says fuck you to turbine and goes off to have a beer and smoke a fat one with his hard ToD buddies.

He shows up on elite though dunno about Tod elite. 

Oh and for fun and giggles the rocks don't always want to break the roids on elite and so sometimes you run out of damn rocks if it happens to often, and i don't think its a lag issue.

arjiwan wrote on Aug 20^th, 2012 at 11:34pm:


ie, they are using a fucking spaghetti bowl of code and they need to rewrite their nearly 7-year-old game.

Smrti wrote on Aug 20^th, 2012 at 11:52pm:


Of course I don't know exactly know how DDO is coded, but I can't help but wonder, why does an old raid mechanics affected by changes on a completely separate update? 

Let us assume that they have a spaghetti code, I am thinking, just don't touch that existing bowl, make another bowl of spaghetti. 

I am again assuming that they are reusing the existing codes, you know, either laziness, lack of proper resources, etc.

Oh well.

popejubal wrote on Aug 21^st, 2012 at 1:39am:


Yep, and like the steps do, still Profit baby!!!  Make it raiiiinn!

Smrti wrote on Aug 21^st, 2012 at 4:42am:


Now you are asking way too much.

Carpone wrote on Aug 21^st, 2012 at 8:09am:


0.01% * 5 = 0.05%

They gave us a fivefold increase! What more do we freaking want???

They don't want too many people getting dopants for fear somebody might actually use one and discover Greensteel decon doesn't actually work...